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« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2012, 03:05:58 PM »

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  Bush was tarp not stimulus. infact most of the tarp money was repaid before Bush left office
  Bush would provide 17.4 bil in loan guarantee for auto but Obama spent over 50 bil for the bail out
  Gas price under Bush were higher in Aug 2008 vs now.  but we are  at record highs for this time of yr.
  Bush had two wars most of his two terms
  Look at the chart the unemployment rate went up the last 1/4 of the year when the banks failed.
  like wise the taxbreaks were there and working almost the whole two terms.

Tell me again why it was the banks failed was it buying  loans from people who did not qualify and could not pay.   those Freddie and Fannie loans.  And who was it responsible for these loans - now I remember Clinton, Dodd and Frank and this happened when in the late '90's.


Your right Bush sure did sneak a bunch of stuff in on Obama that he knew nothing about.  Wait let's see he is till in the dark blaming everyone for the problems he his not paying attention too.   But he sure does how to write a check for the money we do not have.

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« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2012, 04:18:50 PM »
Obama has had two wars all of his term. I THOUGHT he said he was going to get out of those wars right after he took office.  And wasn't he going to close GITMO?  Hmmmm. 

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« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2012, 04:37:37 PM »
Facts crit Right wing crazies for an enormous amount of damage.
Right wing crazies cast deflect and close ears, eyes, and brain. 
Right wing crazies die, but shrug it off as misinformation.

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« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2012, 05:54:13 PM »
Its hard to build a case when you have nothing but gibberish.   I have a liberal friend who can only see when their mouth is open

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« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2012, 03:33:42 AM »
Sounds like a someone we all know, you can tell when he is telling the truth. His mouth is closed.
If your going to be dumb, you better be tough!

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« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2012, 05:02:54 PM »
Fact:  The SCOTUS' express purpose is to determine Constitutionality of laws AND to overturn them if so determined. Civics 101 for Liberals.  Fact, since the express purpose is what it is, Obama is unprecedented in his warnings to SCOTUS.    Gibberish comes from the mouth of obama and noholder.  sounds to me like he who would be king is trying to set a new precedent somehow by ignoring the court ruling if it doesn't go HIS way.  I sincerely hope it does not go his way.  He has spent enough of our posterity's money already.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/05/obamas-supreme-court-comments-become-political-football-as-justice-preps/

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« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2012, 05:33:42 PM »
The Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 (Pub.L. 110-185, 122 Stat. 613, enacted February 13, 2008) was an Act of Congress providing for several kinds of economic stimuli intended to boost the United States economy in 2008 and to avert a recession, or ameliorate economic conditions. The stimulus package was passed by the U.S. House of Representatives on January 29, 2008, and in a slightly different version by the U.S. Senate on February 7, 2008. The Senate version was then approved in the House the same day.[1] It was signed into law on February 13, 2008 by President Bush   That doesnít sound like TARP to me.   

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« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2012, 05:34:32 PM »
Back to the original intent of this post.
I think Obama should know better. SCOTUS has overruled laws before and had to overturn some previous descions that were made by SCOTUS before.  The right wingers on here should grateful that people has taken what Obama said as warning the SCOTUS. Because if they do say that that Healthcare law is constitutional it will give you something else to whine about. You can say they did it because they were scared. Even if Obama did warn them, big deal he canít do anything to them. In the end this will not matter because Obama is going to be reelected.  Obama 2012 the Devil you know.

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« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2012, 06:00:32 PM »
While I don't beleive the individual mandate is Constitutional, we will wait and seen.  One of the lower federal courts is taking on obama for now.  The Feds should not be able to control us individually to begin with and judging from questions asked at the presentation, I think there are some doubts there.  Saying this comes under the commerce clause is defective.  They cannot control commerce that does not exist.  Mandating participation and THEN controlling the commerce is what I have a problem with.  Exempting themselves and muslims is in itself Unconstitutional as laws should pertain to ALL citizens and not exempt the elitists and their religious preferences.  further, this law INCREASES the deficit even more than this administration has already done.  No decrease in the national debt.  So just where is the benefit for the country as a whole?  Obama needs a class in Civics 101 for sure.  "Warning" the SCOTUS is not going to get him anywhere except in hot water.  He wants it ALL HIS way. Period.  No other way is acceptable to him and his minions.  THAT is their form of compromise and their ONLY form.  IF the mandate is overturned then what is he gonna do?  Blame it on a court that "legislates" form the bench as his liberal courts have been doing to this country for years.

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« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2012, 06:46:12 PM »
Im still a little perplexed why you dont think obamacare is good for America?  You think it is ok that insurance companies do whatever the hell they want like deny people with preexisting conditions or straight dropping people when they get sick?  Raise premiums throught the roof but dont pay when its time? You think this is ok?You have no soul or compassion for anyone except white people your own age?  Are you afraid poor people without the funds to live (the most ridiculous thing ever btw) are going to now live longer and get adequete care?  The government already controls us to a certain extent, dont lie to yourself and believe this is a precedent.,

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« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2012, 07:10:43 PM »
They want TOTAL control over each and every portion of our lives.  This would also help him pay for the illegal aliens he allows to live here.  Make note he just singed another order giving them waivers if they are not conducting criminal activity.  I guess illegally crossing our borders is no longer a crime.  They are also his voting base.  Please spare me the racist attitude.  You act as though only minorities are concerned.  I work for what I have.  I am not inclined to give it to HRH to support those too lazy to work.  HE is also th ereason there are so many businesses are fgailig.  He is anti-business and anti excellence.  He wants it all for he and his elitists.  As I said before, this bill only increases the national debt and as the europeans have already discovered, this type of healthcare is a failure.  One last thing on this posting.  If is so damn good for us, why are he and congress exempt from this law?  Think about that

Back to the original discussion.  He IS arrogant when he doesn't even understand the Constitution or the Republican form of government.  the Supremem Court is there for exactly the purpose of making determinations.  Either way it goes, there are gong to be some very unhappy people.  If it goes the way I personally think it should, then the socialists will be unhappy.  It is NOT the concern of the government to take care of us and   It is not the concern of government to regulate our lives. 

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« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2012, 08:04:06 PM »
The Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 (Pub.L. 110-185, 122 Stat. 613, enacted February 13, 2008) was an Act of Congress providing for several kinds of economic stimuli intended to boost the United States economy in 2008 and to avert a recession, or ameliorate economic conditions. The stimulus package was passed by the U.S. House of Representatives on January 29, 2008, and in a slightly different version by the U.S. Senate on February 7, 2008. The Senate version was then approved in the House the same day.[1] It was signed into law on February 13, 2008 by President Bush   That doesn’t sound like TARP to me.   


You are correct Bush had a stimulus which we can all remember was the direct  rebate check. The cost of this 152 Bil.   

If you will recall you wrote about the $800 Bil american recovery and reinvestment act which was the obama stimulus and had nothing to do with the 2008 stimulus.   

TARP is the bank bailout under Bush that was essentially paid back before he left office.   Obama however, took this money and made it green by recycling it to bail out the two weak auto companies..

If you want to jump all over the place then we should talk about the CRA community reinvestment act under Carter that started this whole housing bubble.   

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« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2012, 08:25:10 PM »
Im still a little perplexed why you dont think obamacare is good for America?  You think it is ok that insurance companies do whatever the hell they want like deny people with preexisting conditions or straight dropping people when they get sick?  Raise premiums throught the roof but dont pay when its time? You think this is ok?You have no soul or compassion for anyone except white people your own age?  Are you afraid poor people without the funds to live (the most ridiculous thing ever btw) are going to now live longer and get adequete care?  The government already controls us to a certain extent, dont lie to yourself and believe this is a precedent.,


If it is so good then why have they "the government"  issued over 1100 exemptions.
Why have so many small businesses  said they will go out of business because of the added cost..

But most of all if it is so damn good why is there a penalty if you don't buy it.  If the dogs won't eat the dog food it not a problem with the dog it's  with the dog food.

I had private insurance for almost the last 20 years and the annual increase was 1-3% until obamacare was passed and there was  a 10% increase.   They paid on time and , I had a preexisting condition when I got the policy.   When I developed another serious illness they agreed to drop the deductible and pay for treatment at 100%- I was not dropped and they did not increase the premium beyond normal.


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« Reply #43 on: April 05, 2012, 08:53:55 PM »
if nobamacare was such a good deal, why all the bribes and backroom dealings? many in congress voted for what they didn't even read. who manages nobamacare? that in itself should make it unconstituitional.

 the scotus is doing it's job. nobamacare will be struck down. It already has, the explanation of the decision is being written before the public release of the decision.

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« Reply #44 on: April 05, 2012, 09:11:07 PM »
 :th_tha3ab577b-1: Another thing that gets me is half of you couldnt come up with an original idea if your lives depended on it or you were working together.  For every question or fact there is some dumb ass fox news rebuttal.

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« Reply #45 on: April 05, 2012, 10:43:05 PM »
who has referenced fox news? I don't watch it, don't have cable.

I also don't stoop to class warfare tactics or racism as you and other liberals have. you can't dispute the facts, so you have to create a distraction, just like nobama. typical liberal response. LOL LOL

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« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2012, 11:13:07 PM »
 :) Don't worry fox news is a liberal problem.   Fox is watched by more than all the other news combined, they uncover the truth and present the facts while other organizations continue to spin until it just too obvious they are pursuing the left agenda with distorted facts

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« Reply #47 on: April 06, 2012, 02:43:10 AM »
you are right cowboy. the libs can't stand fox beating all the other cable news shows!

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« Reply #48 on: April 06, 2012, 12:22:12 PM »
Im still a little perplexed why you dont think obamacare is good for America?  You think it is ok that insurance companies do whatever the hell they want like deny people with preexisting conditions or straight dropping people when they get sick?  Raise premiums throught the roof but dont pay when its time? You think this is ok?You have no soul or compassion for anyone except white people your own age?  Are you afraid poor people without the funds to live (the most ridiculous thing ever btw) are going to now live longer and get adequete care?  The government already controls us to a certain extent, dont lie to yourself and believe this is a precedent.,
its because the haves dont want the have nots to have what they have.it is not a race thing  being white has nothing to do with it. i think people just get off on feeling like they have somthing that someone else dont. we have elcted officials so we dont have to think for our selves, we can just set around pick a party and let them decide what is best. and then no matter what if it is good then their party is responsible if it is bad then it must be the other side.one of these day the people of this country will open their eyes and realize that 2 partys dont work.. we have to many people in this country with to many different herritages for just 2 partys. democrat and republican party are for wealthy americans where is the party for the rest of us? and just so we have this clear every media outlet in this country is owned by a handfull of companys they are all feeding this country full b.s. and lies. why? because they have the same agenda, money and power.

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« Reply #49 on: April 06, 2012, 01:40:43 PM »
bs! ya whant something? work for it. don't blame the gov't for your failures or give it credit for your success! It is the gov't's job to get out of the way, drop the barriers that discourage success. it is all up to you.  it is called taking responsibility for your life, not sit around wioth your hand out! being on your own is what made this country great. when immigrants come over here in the 20th century, they did not have any gov't benefits. they had to work to make it. nobama does not want people to be able to fend for them selves , that reduces gov't dependency!

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« Reply #50 on: April 06, 2012, 07:28:12 PM »
I use to watch Fox news then realized how one-sided they are.  People watch fox for the same reason people in Washington keep electing Barry to public office.  If the SCOTUS does declare the Healthcare law unconstitutional  then there needs to be something put in place to handle this issue. We are not talking about people on public dole or drug addicts we are talking about people that work hard and canít afford health care. And if anyone thinks that Insurance companies donít drop people or will not cover people due preexisting conditions then they are idiots.
Insurance companies are in some cases the very reason cost are so high.  I had to go to a family doctor to get permission to go see a specialist for a minor surgery because according to my INS plan I canít talk to the specialist.  I was in the family doctorís office with the doctor for 5 minutes he told me who he was going to set me up with if I didnít have someone already picked out. His office set up the appointment. Cost- $20 co-pay and they charged my ins. $80
A lot people on here also get their insurance through the government ( civil or military) or a company that they work for and do not pay full price for their insurance. If I had to pay full price for my ins. I donít think I could afford it and I make good money.
Not everyone can join the military, work for the government or big corporations. According to some of you, the people that serve your food, cut your hair or work at small businesses etc. donít deserve health care or a decent living as long as you get yours. You call these people lazy and slackers.   I guess what we need to do is a financial genocide. Letís play Nazi If you make less than $30,000 and you canít afford Ins. take them and their kids because we donít want to take care of them either and put them in a gas chamber, problem solved. 

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« Reply #51 on: April 06, 2012, 08:01:04 PM »
NOt one person here has addressesd a question I posed.  If it is so damn good for citizens, why is is not so damn good for the elitists who are attempting to control us?  When discussing the lazy and the slackers, I am referring to those who are on and STAY on welfare, some families for GENERATIONS.

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« Reply #52 on: April 06, 2012, 11:01:25 PM »
chas said"According to some of you, the people that serve your food, cut your hair or work at small businesses etc. donít deserve health care or a decent living as long as you get yours. You call these people lazy and slackers."

proof??? who said this???

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« Reply #53 on: April 07, 2012, 03:25:31 AM »
Since everyone is going to ignore Matrsnot's question let rephrase it and direct it to all on here that are defending Obamacare.  If this program is so good and we absolutely need it now, why are so many people to include all politicians, exempt from it?  Why can't we have healthcare that is good enough for everyone and not just a select few?  Why were so many promises made and so many closed door deals made to get people to vote for it?  Why can't we have a bipartisan effort that addresses all Americans rather than just a democrat plan that focuses on their select voting base?  Please anyone answer any of these questions rather than just sit here and call each other names.  Remember, a divided country that is fighting among themselves is so much easier to control!

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« Reply #54 on: April 07, 2012, 04:21:52 AM »
Since everyone is going to ignore Matrsnot's question let rephrase it and direct it to all on here that are defending Obamacare.  If this program is so good and we absolutely need it now, why are so many people to include all politicians, exempt from it?  Why can't we have healthcare that is good enough for everyone and not just a select few?  Why were so many promises made and so many closed door deals made to get people to vote for it?  Why can't we have a bipartisan effort that addresses all Americans rather than just a democrat plan that focuses on their select voting base?  Please anyone answer any of these questions rather than just sit here and call each other names.  Remember, a divided country that is fighting among themselves is so much easier to control!


I agree. however I think some want a devided country!
If your going to be dumb, you better be tough!

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« Reply #55 on: April 07, 2012, 02:18:26 PM »
pelosi stated before she already has healthcare.

the gop introduced a hc bill. It was much shorter and easier to understand, it was ignored.

so much fo bipartisanship.