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Re: Missouri Sheriffs Pledge To Not Enforce Obama’s Gun Control Laws
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2013, 01:03:48 PM »

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Our OLD sheriff arrested a illeagle person and held him for ICE. Our POTUS has decided and informed ICE certain reasons for holding, or deporting said illeagle folks.  JB had to turn the guy lose. Is this not picking and choosing what laws he wants enforced. This is just one example. We could get into voter rights/intimidation ect. Our president and holder has been deciding what laws HE wants to follow and what to just forget about since he was elected. Is this right? A lot of you voted for him. Hell he got 110% of the vote in some counties. Taking out guns away will not be tolarated even for the King.



   Minor mistake here it was actually several illegals over a period of several years that ICE refused to come and get and we had to turn them loose. But remember you are required to hold them or else until ICE rules on the case.
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Re: Missouri Sheriffs Pledge To Not Enforce Obama’s Gun Control Laws
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2013, 05:53:17 PM »
Obama admin had a significant jump in deporting illegals more than Bush in his first 4 years.  JB stated over several years but did not give a time frame so there could be some Bush years in there only JB can clarify that.  Comparing the monthly averages Obama 32, 886 Bush 20,964 Clinton 9,059 all other presidents fall short of the last three.  Now these numbers may change due to new immigration bill in congress.  In what counties did Obama get 110 percent of the vote and what is your source?  I still love the way people throw around words like king and dictator with what I can only guess is no working knowledge on how a true monarch and dictatorship works. 

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Re: Missouri Sheriffs Pledge To Not Enforce Obama’s Gun Control Laws
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2013, 06:36:48 PM »
I don't think there was 110%, but I do remember one county mentioned in Pennsylvania where they calimed he got 99% in a Red county.  Obama is only interested in getting those illegals who are felons.  All others breaking federal law by jumping the border are blessed with his ok, which means HE is breaking federal law.  No longer will they be called illegal aliens.  The new name will be undocumented democrats

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Re: Missouri Sheriffs Pledge To Not Enforce Obama’s Gun Control Laws
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2013, 07:36:02 PM »
Undocumented democrats that are funny don’t know how true it is but funny. Here is what I don’t get, Obama’s admin. Posted higher numbers of deportation than Bush or any other administration but you and other still think he is doing a bad job of it.  Isn’t his plan very similar to that Bush proposed? Do you think that releasing illegals is new that it didn’t happen under other Presidents? I think they should concentrate criminal illegals everybody bitches about money and manpower so there has to be priorities. I also think that every illegal caught should be deported, this ain’t fishing you don’t throw them back because they are too small at least  until congress and this will be congress not Obama that makes and passes an immigration reform law.  For the record in 2000 Bush received 35% in 2004 43% of the Hispanic vote.

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Re: Missouri Sheriffs Pledge To Not Enforce Obama’s Gun Control Laws
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2013, 08:33:57 PM »
Look at Operation Wetb...k under the
Eisenhower administration.

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Re: Missouri Sheriffs Pledge To Not Enforce Obama’s Gun Control Laws
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2013, 08:43:02 PM »

The National Sheriff's Association posted these points today.
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WHEREAS, the elected Sheriff is recognized throughout the United States as the chief local law enforcement officer and is directly accountable to the people through the electoral process; and

WHEREAS, all sheriffs take an oath of office to enforce and defend the United States Constitution and state constitution and laws; and

WHEREAS, a primary mission of sheriffs is to ensure public safety; and

WHEREAS, gun safety is vitally important to our nation’s public health and the 3,080 sheriffs of this nation; and

WHEREAS, the cause of violence, including gun violence, must be addressed on many fronts, including improved mental health treatment, media violence, drugs, gangs, breakdown of the family, strengthening laws that prevent or reduce the access of legally prohibited persons to firearms and vigorous enforcement of existing laws; and

WHEREAS, the National Sheriffs’ Association represents the interests of all sheriffs who are sworn to support and defend the United States Constitution; and

WHEREAS, sheriffs strongly support our citizens’ protected right to bear arms under the Second Amendment and the National Sheriffs’ Association does not support any laws that deprive any citizen of the rights provided under the Constitution and Bill of Rights; and

WHEREAS, the doctrine of judicial review grants to the United States Supreme Court and the lower courts the power to determine the constitutionality of any law and sheriffs do not v possess the legal authority to interpret the constitutionality of any law;

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, the National Sheriffs’ Association supports the rights conferred by the Second Amendment and further recognizes the ultimate authority of the courts in interpreting the scope of those constitutional rights




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Re: Missouri Sheriffs Pledge To Not Enforce Obama’s Gun Control Laws
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2013, 08:47:54 PM »
And the National Sheriff's Association (NSA) also added the following working points that they feel must be considered. All 114 Missouri Sheriff's are members of the NSA.
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EXECUTIVE SUMMARY FIREARMS

 1. Rule of Law. Our nation's Sheriffs recognize the rule of law in the United States in which the Supreme Court and lower courts are the ultimate authority in determining the constitutionality of any law.

 2. Second Amendment. Our nation's Sheriffs support and are sworn to uphold the constitution and the Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment.

3. Comprehensive approach. Gun control alone will not solve the problem of guns and extreme violence. Society needs a thoughtful and comprehensive approach to this many facetted issue.

 4. Records Access. Law enforcement must have access to relevant records to determine whether a person is legally prohibited from possession of firearms by major improvements in the National Instant Check System.

 5. Mental Health Records. Law Enforcement must have access to mental health records for accurate background checks, for responding to 911 calls and for responding to those who suffer from mental illness.

6. Mental Health Treatment. There must be great expansion of treatment resources for those that experience mental illness. We have an epidemic of untreated mental illness across the country, and there is a strong link between untreated mental illness and the increased risk of committing violent acts.

 7. Vigorous Prosecution. The nation's Sheriffs support the vigorous prosecution of those who violate existing gun laws, including enhanced sentences.

 8. Gun Safety Incentives. The nation's Sheriffs support enhanced firearms safety efforts including incentives to promote both safe and secure storage and use of firearms.

 9. Training. The nation’s Sheriffs enhanced training, best practices policies and procedures and adequate resources for law enforcement, schools and those who operate other public facilities, to address active shooters and other safety threats.

 10. Culture of Violence. The nation's Sheriffs recognize the culture of violence on the internet, on television, in movies, and especially violent videogames, have a negative influence on our nation's youth.

 11. Schools. The nation's Sheriffs are committed to protecting our children in their neighborhoods and in school facilities

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Re: Missouri Sheriffs Pledge To Not Enforce Obama’s Gun Control Laws
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2013, 09:16:33 PM »
If you type in which president has deported the most illegals you get Obama back as answer. Operation wetback while it had high numbers it appears that a lot left on their own. But for the sake of argument I will go with that Eisenhower had higher numbers. That still doesn’t take away from the fact that Obama’s admin. Has deported more illegals then other past presidents.  President Reagan gave amnesty to 2.9 million. The Dream act (2001) a bi-partisan bill, Bush wanted to give amnesty. I’m not saying that they were right or wrong.  I am saying that you and others are wrong when you say Obama isn’t doing enough or that amnesty is has only been around since Obama took office.  You all act like that amnesty and selective enforcement of laws only started when Obama took office.  If Obama turned out to be GOD you people would whether go to hell.  I’m not saying he is a great president or even a good president I’m saying people should give credit where credit is due. I think the man deserves some credit for deporting as many as he did.
The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), Pub.L. 99–603, 100 Stat. 3359, enacted November 6, 1986, also Simpson-Mazzoli Act, is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law. In brief the act:
required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status.
made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit unauthorized immigrants.
legalized certain seasonal agricultural illegal immigrants.
legalized illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously with the penalty of a fine, back taxes due, and admission of guilt. About three million illegal immigrants were granted legal status. 

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Re: Missouri Sheriffs Pledge To Not Enforce Obama’s Gun Control Laws
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2013, 09:40:24 PM »
JB, can you clarify a couple of these whereas for me? First though Not all sheriffs are recognized as the chief law enforcement officer, but most are in most states.
In the second whereas it says they take an oath of office to enforce and defend the United States Constitution and state constitution and laws;
 The 7th WHEREAS, sheriffs strongly support our citizens’ protected right to bear arms under the Second Amendment and the National Sheriffs’ Association does not support any laws that deprive any citizen of the rights provided under the Constitution and Bill of Rights; and- It says it doesn’t support laws (this is throwing me do they enforce laws that they only support)
The 8th WHEREAS and the NOW, THEREFORE line mentions the courts but there is no mention of congress does this mean that they don’t recognize law made by congress unless that law passed the muster of a court.  Congress makes the laws.
To me this reads that until a law is upheld by the courts that Sheriffs don’t have to enforce a law if they don’t want to until the courts say it constitutional correct.


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Re: Missouri Sheriffs Pledge To Not Enforce Obama’s Gun Control Laws
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2013, 12:54:15 PM »
OK, I will try for an answer on your question.  I do not believe that all states have the sheriff as the supreme CEO. To the best of my knowledge the oath of office is the same everywhere you pledge to support the US constioution and the one of your state.


#8 WHEREAS, the doctrine of judicial review grants to the United States Supreme Court and the lower courts the power to determine the constitutionality of any law and sheriffs do not v possess the legal authority to interpret the constitutionality of any law;

They are simply saying that the established proceedure for the passage of a law followed by the "doctrine of judicial review" is the way it must be to determine that a law is constitutional. But they clearly say a sheriff cannot determine the constitution basis yes or no for a new law. Sort of a slap in the face to the sheriff's who have implied they will not enforce a law they feel is not valid. They are saying wait until the courts rule on it.

On #7, I think the part throwing you is simply a political posture of we do not support any unconstitutional law which is a no brainer but could have been worded a lot better.


And those are my thoughts on your question.
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Re: Missouri Sheriffs Pledge To Not Enforce Obama’s Gun Control Laws
« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2013, 01:02:00 PM »
If you type in which president has deported the most illegals you get Obama back as answer. Operation wetback while it had high numbers it appears that a lot left on their own. But for the sake of argument I will go with that Eisenhower had higher numbers. That still doesn’t take away from the fact that Obama’s admin. Has deported more illegals then other past presidents.  President Reagan gave amnesty to 2.9 million. The Dream act (2001) a bi-partisan bill, Bush wanted to give amnesty. I’m not saying that they were right or wrong.  I am saying that you and others are wrong when you say Obama isn’t doing enough or that amnesty is has only been around since Obama took office.  You all act like that amnesty and selective enforcement of laws only started when Obama took office.  If Obama turned out to be GOD you people would whether go to hell.  I’m not saying he is a great president or even a good president I’m saying people should give credit where credit is due. I think the man deserves some credit for deporting as many as he did.
The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), Pub.L. 99–603, 100 Stat. 3359, enacted November 6, 1986, also Simpson-Mazzoli Act, is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law. In brief the act:
required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status.
made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit unauthorized immigrants.
legalized certain seasonal agricultural illegal immigrants.
legalized illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously with the penalty of a fine, back taxes due, and admission of guilt. About three million illegal immigrants were granted legal status. 

Their headed South to find work! So yea, I guess in a round about way...you can credit Obama.
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Re: Missouri Sheriffs Pledge To Not Enforce Obama’s Gun Control Laws
« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2013, 01:38:24 PM »
231-sheriffs-and-4-state-sheriffs-associations-saying-no-to-obama-gun-control

http://www.infowars.com/231-sheriffs-and-4-state-sheriffs-associations-saying-no-to-obama-gun-control/
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Re: Missouri Sheriffs Pledge To Not Enforce Obama’s Gun Control Laws
« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2013, 02:52:13 PM »
JB,
Thanks .  I do disagree that it is a slap in the face.  Congress makes the laws and until the courts say otherwise it is the law. 

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Re: Missouri Sheriffs Pledge To Not Enforce Obama’s Gun Control Laws
« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2013, 04:09:03 PM »
UYeah, they make the laws and ignore the Constitution at the wsame time.  What a shame.

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« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2013, 07:11:50 PM »
Yes it a shame but that is how it is. They make the laws then the courts have to clarify them.