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Re: SQUARELY on Obama's Shoulders
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use what ever figures you want hi, LOL LOL

what did W spend it on, what did nobama spend it on?

If nobama spent less than w, why is this economy in such bad shape?
 
W wanted to rein in freddimac and fannie mae, the dems said no. the housing mess was dem caused. it goes all the way back to carter.
 
what was the debt when nobama took office, what is it now?


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Re: SQUARELY on Obama's Shoulders
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2013, 09:37:55 PM »
use what ever figures you want hi, LOL LOL

what did W spend it on, what did nobama spend it on?

If nobama spent less than w, why is this economy in such bad shape?
 
W wanted to rein in freddimac and fannie mae, the dems said no. the housing mess was dem caused. it goes all the way back to carter.
 
what was the debt when nobama took office, what is it now?
You realize that the economy fell before Gobama took office.
Georgie wanted to reign in freddie and fannie, or so we hear. But he didn't generate half the buzz that Trump did on Gobamas Birth papers yet Bushless couldn't get a commercial out there?
I am so sorry. Also lets not forget the 3 trillion dollar dinner ticket left for president to pay for.

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Re: SQUARELY on Obama's Shoulders
« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2013, 11:12:39 PM »
None of this excuses Obama from going around talking about the sequestering instead of being in DC, granted there is nothing he can do about it but it looks bad.  It sure as hell doesnít excuse congress that just got back from being off 10 days showing up for 3 days passing the Violence Against Women Act. and now Boehner told them to take off until Monday. There are no votes scheduled for Friday. The budget problems need to be fixed by congress, both sides are at fault but I do blame the Republicans more. Now if this doesnít make you mad regardless of party then youíre an idiot.
Fish you talk a lot but show us one government site that states different then the factcheck.org site that Hi used, they use government sites I have gone the government site to verify.  It goes all the way back to Carter? Then why didnít Reagan or one the Bushís fix it. Make up your mind either a President owns his term and is not allowed to blame the one before him or he can. Personally I think a certain amount of blame on the previous is ok to a point.  For instance it ok for Obama to blame Bush for the wars which were not funded through the budgeting process In  2010 Obama had them included in the budget. So now part of Obama deficit is the un-funded wars. The other part that is wrong with supplemental budgeting is that the Pentagon has asked for and received billions that are not related to the war.  I understand the need for supplemental budgets you canít really plan for war or federal disaster money.   There are numbers that state we will spend up to 4 trillion dollars on the wars before it over.
From CBO.gov
 The federal deficit will drop below $1 trillion in 2013 for the first time since 2008, under current law annual deficits and federal debt will stay at historically high levels relative to the economy through 2023, CBO projects. 


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Re: SQUARELY on Obama's Shoulders
« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2013, 02:40:39 AM »
remember W's debt took 8 yrs, nobama;s took 4.

what did w spend money on? How many hurricanes during his term? Ivan, rita,katrina and many ts's. how many earthquakes and tornados. W had to contend with more natural disasters than any president I recall.
don't forget his first year involved 9/11. what was he supposed to do? not respond? how many resolutions were violated before we went to war? Congress approved us going to Iraq.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa101102a.htm
congress approved funding for both wars 98 senators votes for the resolution in 2001( including Biden) that called for a military response.
Senator nobama;
4/21/05: Obama voted for HR 1268, war appropriations in the amount of approximately $81 billion.  Much of this funding went to Blackwater USA and Halliburton and disappeared.  Roll call 109
11/15/05: Obama voted for continued war, again.  Roll call 326 was the vote on the Defense Authorization Act (S1042) which kept the war and war profiteering alive, restricted the right of habeas corpus and encouraged terrorism.  Pursuant to his pattern, Obama voted for this.
 
12/21/05: Obama confirmed his support for war by voting for the Conference Report on the Defense Appropriations Act (HR 2863), Roll call 366, which provided more funding to Halliburton and Blackwater.
5/4/06: Obama, again, voted to adopt HR4939 the emergency funding to war profiteers.  Roll call 112
6/15/06:  Obama again opposed withdrawal of the troops by voting to table a motion to table a proposed amendment would have required the withdrawal of US. Armed Forces from Iraq and would have urged the convening of an Iraq summit (S Amdt 4269 to S Amdt 4265 to S 2766).
6/22/06:  Obama voted against withdrawing the troops by opposing the Kerry Amendment (S Amdt 4442 to S 2766) to the National Defense Authorization Act.  The amendment, which was rejected, would have brought our troops home, ended the fighting and forced the Iraqi people to take charge of their security.  Roll Call 181
http://creativeyouth.net/realobama.html the commentary isn't mine it came with his voting record.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/17/mccains-attempt-to-fix-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-in-2005/ the dems killed the bill to rein in fmac and fanmae.
The Debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. It has now gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama took office.
W had a lot of natural disasters and 9/11 to contend with. what was spent was necessary for those. I have criticized W for spending too much of our money. a cabinet level dhs was and still is unnecessary. But W got us out of the recession as the result of 9/11... with tax cuts. but nobama owns this economy. he folled w's schedule for the Iraq draw down and w's policies set the condirions for obl to be taken out. W wasn't perfect, but I believe his were honest mistakes. nobama hates this country, it is evident given the results of his presidency todate. I don't recall w blaming Clinton for letting obl go when he could have had him. Reagan really inherited a mess from carter. he didn't whine , he went to work. nobama does not have the work ethic or integrity to solve problems, it is easier to do nothing and blame his predecesser

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Re: SQUARELY on Obama's Shoulders
« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2013, 03:17:20 AM »
Lets see where the debt actually is.
#1 24 percent of our debt is due to the Bush cuts.
#2 3 trillion is due to our unlawful middle east war.
#3 A economic recession also cut our funds that are coming in
#4 Baby boomers are retiring meaning a larger strain on ssi.
#5 1.7 trillion due to tarp.

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Re: SQUARELY on Obama's Shoulders
« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2013, 08:29:26 PM »
Let us drop the fighting over blame and take care of the debt. I propose that the R-pubs pay off the 8 years of GW's debt and the D-crats pay off the 8 years of OB's debt. What could be fairer and follow party lines? Well?

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Re: SQUARELY on Obama's Shoulders
« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2013, 08:47:12 PM »
Great idea JB.  But the dems wont' go for it.  They don't feel they are responsible for anything. 

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Re: SQUARELY on Obama's Shoulders
« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2013, 08:50:35 PM »
Well they would owe about the same amount. Cut some spending close some tax loopholes then they both get what they want. R-pubs feel the same way.

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Re: SQUARELY on Obama's Shoulders
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2013, 09:07:38 PM »
No, Bush started the recession. The recession did not technically end until June 2009. However I would argue that is wrong and we are still  in one.  You donít start two unfunded wars then cut taxes also. Bush and congress was wrong to do that. The thing you are missing is that under Bush the wars and the federal disasters were not funded except under the supplemental budget process meaning  that they were in not included in the Bush budgets.  From the treasury dept. historical debt.
09/30/2012 16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005  7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004  7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003  6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002  6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001  5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000  5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999  5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998  5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997  5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996  5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995  4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994  4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993  4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992  4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991  3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990  3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989  2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988  2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987  2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986  2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 * 1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 * 1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 * 1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 * 1,142,034,000,000.00
09/30/1981 * 997,855,000,000.00
09/30/1980 * 907,701,000,000.00
09/30/1979 * 826,519,000,000.00
09/30/1978 * 771,544,000,000.00
09/30/1977 * 698,840,000,000.00
06/30/1976 * 620,433,000,000.00
06/30/1975 * 533,189,000,000.00
But again we digress the sequestration is squarely on congressís head.

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Re: SQUARELY on Obama's Shoulders
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2013, 11:24:00 PM »
not only congress, the president too. he is unwilling to compromise even a little bit. He got his tax increase after he lied to the middle class.

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« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2013, 01:27:55 AM »
not only congress, the president too. he is unwilling to compromise even a little bit. He got his tax increase after he lied to the middle class.
he never got his increase, a tax cut expired, Beaner tried pushing the same plan thru twice. and why cant Beaner compromise with the president?  after all he was elected to run our country by the majority of its voters.  Beener and his buddies are lining there pockets with loophole monies, it would hurt the majority of the citizens less to close a few loopholes then to shut down programs that help us.   who had more to gain with the sequester?  why the GOP of course, they got the cuts they wanted without have to do anything at all , now E1 will pay
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« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2013, 03:17:43 AM »
the problem is nobama can't stop spending.

if W was so bad why has unemployment jumped so much since nobama took office? why are 47 million on food stamps? how many are on disability because unemployment ran out. the "rich" that own businesses are sitting on  a ton of money. lower the corp tax rate so corp.'s will stay here and come back here. the us has the second highest corp tax in the world. Closing The so called loopholes will do nothing. many of the rich earn there incomes from capital gains. they are taxed at a lower rate than income taxes. tax that at the same rate as income and investment is killed. let's start cutting the size of gov't. cutting the fat. holder and fbi director using gov't aircraft for personal trips- 11.4 million. cut the gsa vehicles, cut the plane rides for congress to go home. what did nobama's vacation with tiger cost? over a million. what about moochelles? We all make the choices that gov't needs to. there was no crisis when W was president. nobama owns the economy and the sequester he approved.

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« Reply #42 on: March 02, 2013, 03:30:52 AM »
the problem is nobama can't stop spending.

if W was so bad why has unemployment jumped so much since nobama took office? why are 47 million on food stamps? how many are on disability because unemployment ran out. the "rich" that own businesses are sitting on  a ton of money. lower the corp tax rate so corp.'s will stay here and come back here. the us has the second highest corp tax in the world. Closing The so called loopholes will do nothing. many of the rich earn there incomes from capital gains. they are taxed at a lower rate than income taxes. tax that at the same rate as income and investment is killed. let's start cutting the size of gov't. cutting the fat. holder and fbi director using gov't aircraft for personal trips- 11.4 million. cut the gsa vehicles, cut the plane rides for congress to go home. what did nobama's vacation with tiger cost? over a million. what about moochelles? We all make the choices that gov't needs to. there was no crisis when W was president. nobama owns the economy and the sequester he approved.
  you really do live in a fantasy world dont ya
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Re: SQUARELY on Obama's Shoulders
« Reply #43 on: March 02, 2013, 10:01:41 AM »
When the tax expired, that WAS and IS a tax increase.  What is he and congress doing with the money?  Not paying off the debt for sure.  This is a spend and tax more administration. 

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« Reply #44 on: March 02, 2013, 04:21:05 PM »
nope, I live in the world of facts. you can live with your head in the sand or with blinders on, but it does not change the fact nobama is the reason we are where we are.


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Re: SQUARELY on Obama's Shoulders
« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2013, 01:32:46 AM »
Part of the problem was two unfunded wars and the blow back that increased to cost of oil.
Also the financial collapse from deregulating the banking industry and then bailing them out.
Also the "trickle down economics" tax cuts of the last couple decades.
Now we have the politicians on the right that want drastic cuts in spending and want the left to get the blame.
 
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« Reply #46 on: March 03, 2013, 02:23:28 AM »
we still weren't in this mess with W.

who's been doing all the spending the last 4 yrs?

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Re: SQUARELY on Obama's Shoulders
« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2013, 12:45:43 PM »
The protected job.   White House Chief of staff for the first dog "bo" continues to be employed at a salary of $107,000.   Maybe they still have dog tours at the obama castle.

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« Reply #48 on: March 08, 2013, 04:37:04 PM »
When a tax expires that is not tax increase. All we got was couple years of reprieve.  Since it was supposed to expire. The sequester is owned by both parties. Of course congress didnít do what they said they would. There were several GOP Senators and congressmen ( and if someone looked Iím sure some Dems as well) stating that they could kill the sequester anytime they wanted, donít forget Boner stated that he 98% of what he wanted. The fact that GOP in their new CR put in that DOD and only DOD can change the way DOO handles the sequester is BS. If one agency can do stuff so they donít have to furlough people then all agencies should be allowed to do that.  This should piss off everyone. Personally I think DOD budget should be cut. We spend more on defense than the next ten countries combined the DOD budget for 2012 was 711.0 billion the next largest was China at 119 billion. Get rid of the contractors and their overpaid butts. I know a woman that made six figures in Iraq /Afganstan supervising pools. My wife was offered (before we were married) six figures to go over and cut hair.  Close some oversea bases cut some the projects that the Pentagon says they donít need.  The president proposed idea of the sequester congress passed the bill then Obama signed it.  Therefore itís both parties fault. It is congressís job to fix the budget not the Presidents.
Unemployment is lower now than when Bush left office, at least for this month. Which raises another question, where is the so called trickle-down effect?  Companies are making a killing record high profits 1.7 trillion. They are not hiring, giving raises to the working class, CEOs are getting them however. They are banking this money. Why are they not hiring instead of laying off? Because itís better for their bottom line and the ones that make the big money.

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« Reply #49 on: March 08, 2013, 08:33:25 PM »
chas, obamacare is a big reason. many companies cannot afford it and cutting workers hours to make them part time workers they don't have to provide healthcare to. the economy is not as good as the media says. best buy is going, circuit city is gone. jc penny, sears are struggling. there are 89 million people that have stopped looking for work. they are not counted in the unemployment rate. gm is in trouble again. but nobama threw another billion away with solyndra and fiskars. the "green " jobs didn't last. the keystone pipeline should have been aready under construction. nobama has missed many opportunities to grow the economy. raising taxes and nobamacare is not the way to do it. many companies are buyinh back their stock right now. that is part of the reason for the stock surge. that gives them an opportunity to raise cash later by selling the stock. they are also sitting on a ton of money. the corp tax rate in the us is the second. until the tax rate is cut and the economy is more stabile , that is where it will stay.

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« Reply #50 on: March 08, 2013, 08:50:20 PM »
ďAmerican businesses earned profits at an annual rate of $1.659 trillion in the third quarter, according to a Commerce Department report released Tuesday. That is the highest figure recorded since the government began keeping track over 60 years ago.Ē ďCorporate profits have been doing extremely well for a while. Since their cyclical low in the fourth quarter of 2008, profits have grown for seven consecutive quarters, at some of the fastest rates in history. As a share of gross domestic product, corporate profits also have been increasing, and they now represent 11.2 percent of total output. That is the highest share since the fourth quarter of 2006, when they accounted for 11.7 percent of output. ď
They cut hours so they donít have to pay health care you right, not because they canít afford it but because to do so would affect their profit margin and the higher ups may have to take a cut in pay.

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« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2013, 10:14:59 PM »
and the gov't is collecting a record amout of tax also. why are we in a sequester? better check again on the cost to the businesses for providing nobamacare. they can't afford it.

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« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2013, 05:48:03 PM »
Obama was to have submitted his budget to congress by the end of February. He still has not as of today. If he was in any other job he would be fired!
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« Reply #53 on: March 09, 2013, 06:32:26 PM »
Obama was to have submitted his budget to congress by the end of February. He still has not as of today. If he was in any other job he would be fired!
Yep cause if a cook doesn't balance the payroll tax, or the fireman remember his lines we ought to fire him, because you know, he isn't doing a job that is not his job. ONLY CONGRESS CAN MAKE A BUDGET.

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« Reply #54 on: March 09, 2013, 06:43:20 PM »
Obama was to have submitted his budget to congress by the end of February. He still has not as of today. If he was in any other job he would be fired!
Also what is this then http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Overview Looks like a budget to me.

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Re: SQUARELY on Obama's Shoulders
« Reply #55 on: March 10, 2013, 12:07:48 AM »
It is the responsibility of the president to submit a budget each year to congress for approval.  obama has failed top submit one for 2010,2011,2012, and 2013. 

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Re: SQUARELY on Obama's Shoulders
« Reply #56 on: March 10, 2013, 12:56:35 AM »
It is the responsibility of the president to submit a budget each year to congress for approval.  obama has failed top submit one for 2010,2011,2012, and 2013.
I am looking at the 2010 budget right now. Do you want to as well [size=78%]http://www.saylor.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2010USFederalBudget.pdf[/size]

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« Reply #57 on: March 10, 2013, 04:47:11 AM »
Not one approved by congress and signed as required.    The sky is the limit for this guy.  As long as he can bankrupt this country he is happy.

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Re: SQUARELY on Obama's Shoulders
« Reply #58 on: March 10, 2013, 04:55:34 AM »
Not one approved by congress and signed as required.    The sky is the limit for this guy.  As long as he can bankrupt this country he is happy.
Glad you admit that Congress is to blame and not the president. Look at the budget and tell me where cuts can be made that are equal. (1 dollar for dems equals 1 dollar for the GOP.)

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Re: SQUARELY on Obama's Shoulders
« Reply #59 on: March 10, 2013, 09:11:33 AM »
Since I did some budgets in the Army, I can tell you that elements of expense cause some imaginative accounting.  So.  Stop all the foreign aid to countries that hate us.  Stop funding the UN.  Those two items themselves would help to balance the budget.  Bring home the troops....now