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SQUARELY on Vicky Hartzler's Shoulders
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The United States Army is asking for public comment on its plan to reduce the total number of forces from 562,000 at the end of fiscal year 2012 to 490,000 by fiscal year 2020 and the realignment of its forces over the coming years. The plan will result in significant impacts on a variety of economic measures in communities neighboring 21 installations, according to an Army assessment of potential changes to the serviceís force structure scheduled to occur over the next seven years. This plan will have a significant impact on the socioeconomic status of our communities neighboring Fort Leonard Wood. The direct economic impacts could include reduced employment, income, regional population and sales.

Fort Leonard Wood Impact. The current permanent party force is 9,495 Soldiers and Army Civilians. This does not include trainees, students, family members, other Service members, contractors or non-full time employees.

The reduction for Fort Leonard Wood would be up to 3,900 soldiers and Army civilians. This would be a loss of 41% of permanent staff at FLW. The model the Army uses also projects a loss of 450 direct and 504 indirect jobs in the region.

The projected economic impact in the three county region (Laclede, Phelps and Pulaski) would be as follows:
 
Annual Sales               Annual Income           Employment                Population
   -$167.6M                      -$177.9M                    -4,818                         -9,729
       -8%                              -6.75%                      -11.21%                         -7.5%

There would also be a loss of almost 3,700 K12 students in the region.
 
The study also identifies a loss of 10% of training load and an unknown percent of Other Service members that are not factored into the analysis.

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Re: SQUARELY on Vicky Hartzler's Shoulders
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2013, 01:04:34 AM »
IKWOULD NEVER OF LET THIS HAPPEN...All of you who voted for Vicky, reap what you've sewn. 
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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2013, 02:52:12 AM »
this isn't the first time the army or the fort reduced manning. won't be the last. what about the impact on the other services here? I was here when the marines and air force left. small number then but a much larger number when they returned.

It is more important for the surrounding areas to become more independent of the fort.


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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2013, 03:08:27 AM »
this isn't the first time the army or the fort reduced manning. won't be the last. what about the impact on the other services here? I was here when the marines and air force left. small number then but a much larger number when they returned.

It is more important for the surrounding areas to become more independent of the fort.
  Are you for real !!!!    Independant of the Fort is a death sentance for Pulaski county.    You voted to support the farmer over the base, better get your Tiller out because growing your own is gonna be they most people are going to afford to eat.  Call Vicky and see if she can get ya a deal on a Tractor, your gonna need it
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Re: SQUARELY on Vicky Hartzler's Shoulders
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2013, 03:28:29 AM »
would less manning at the fort affect Lebanon? nope. they were smart enough do build a good manufacturing base when st bob and Waynesville were building houses and strip malls. how much money leaves the area because of not much to do? restaurants and motels are fine, but in an economic downturn they suffer first. pc should be attracting businesses that can create a good manufacturing base. how many restaurants have closed lately? how many empty stores and offices are there along the spur and over by price cutter. the proposed reduction hasn't happened yet. Gov't is not the answer. we have a bunch of degreed active, retired, and civilians here. 8 colleges on base. what good are they if they don't build economic growth here? relying on the military is not a solution.

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Re: SQUARELY on Vicky Hartzler's Shoulders
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2013, 03:49:14 AM »
this isn't the first time the army or the fort reduced manning. won't be the last. what about the impact on the other services here? I was here when the marines and air force left. small number then but a much larger number when they returned.

It is more important for the surrounding areas to become more independent of the fort.
So you want your government money. Want someone to blame, blame the board of aldermen/Mayor/city leader. They are the ones who sucked on the teat of the fort for years.

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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2013, 12:21:41 PM »
So you want your government money. Want someone to blame, blame the board of aldermen/Mayor/city leader. They are the ones who sucked on the teat of the fort for years.
  Vicky is to blame.   She took what Ike Skelton built for us in his many years of service and is gonna sit around and do nothing to stop it.   I also blame those who went to the polls
and voted for her based solely on the fact she had a R by her name on the ballot.   What is her stance on this?  why have we not heard from her ?   what is she doing these days?
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2013, 02:30:12 PM »
Ike caved and voted for nobamacare, that is what cost him the election.

It is the local officials that are responsible for the developement of pc, not the fort or the army. the chamber of commerce used to be pretty good at attracting new business. any news lately? there is developement over bu culvers planned, but what else is in the works?

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Re: SQUARELY on Vicky Hartzler's Shoulders
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2013, 02:50:01 PM »
Where is the study? who is doing it? sounds like a sequester scare.

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Re: SQUARELY on Vicky Hartzler's Shoulders
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2013, 03:29:15 AM »
Ike caved and voted for nobamacare, that is what cost him the election.

It is the local officials that are responsible for the developement of pc, not the fort or the army. the chamber of commerce used to be pretty good at attracting new business. any news lately? there is developement over bu culvers planned, but what else is in the works?
  Why dont you ask Vicky whats in the works, she should be able to tell you if she ever surfaces
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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2013, 03:33:21 AM »
Where is the study? who is doing it? sounds like a sequester scare.
  Click the link..its local business , Political leaders and concerned citizens who run the site..I heard it on local radio 2 days ago
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2013, 11:35:27 AM »
Why doesn't it show up on the official DOD or Army web sites.?

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Re: SQUARELY on Vicky Hartzler's Shoulders
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2013, 06:12:07 PM »
This is true; however with this caveat, this may or may not happen. Page 1-17 under 1.6.1 Decisions to be made, line 19. (But it donít look good)  There are links at the bottom of the article provided in the post or you can go http://aec.army.mil/usaec/nepa/Army2020PEA-1.pdf  or type into your favorite search Army 2020 Force Structure Realignment.

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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2013, 08:50:20 PM »
what are the plans of the chamber of commerce, the city council, committee of 50,etc...?

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Re: SQUARELY on Vicky Hartzler's Shoulders
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2013, 09:30:39 PM »
I'm taking this as let's headed them off before anything comes of it. In all fairness Hartzler may not even be aware of yet. I'm going to talk to someone at city hall when I get chance.

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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2013, 11:26:30 PM »
It all depends upon what we can afford.
 
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A 2:1 ratio of preparation is sufficient for any allies to defeat enemies. We grossly exceed that.
Plan for the next conflict. MAD guarantees that major warfaring countries can't except the devastation of war.
But small, illogical players can and will except the loses if they could draw us into their problems.
At the moment our biggest problem is the cost of energy "oil"
And there are many players who will profit at our expense if we are not careful.
 
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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2013, 03:01:26 AM »
I'm taking this as let's headed them off before anything comes of it. In all fairness Hartzler may not even be aware of yet. I'm going to talk to someone at city hall when I get chance.
  Her committee asignments are Committee on Armed Services Subcommittee on Tactical Air and Land Forces
 Subcommittee on Military Personnel
 Subcommittee on Readiness

Its her job to know !!
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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2013, 02:38:26 PM »
True it is her job to know, and I havenít tried to find out if she does know.  Even though this is just a study and it may or may not happen she does need to be addressing it. While St. Robert and the communities closest to post will be hurt most, all of the surrounding area will take it a hit.Ē It said in the report that other services have not finalized military end- strength reduction plans but these additional reductions would be anticipated to add to the impacts that are already expected to be significantly adverse.Ē page 4.15-15
State taxes will take a hit from $6.7 million to $10.9 million depending on model used.
This would be a good time for community leaders to start trying to bring in some type of manufacturing jobs.  Even if it doesnít happen.
 

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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2013, 04:41:56 PM »
your last line says it all Chas! people should not wait or rely on gov't. there have been many suggestions made on how to improve this are. a mall, more entertainment businesses, manufacturing. if the locals would develope or bring in businesses that would increase the amount of money spent here now, what might happen would not be as big a concern.

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« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2013, 06:23:57 PM »
I don't see how a mall or entertainment business would help if we did lose a big part of personnel on post. They would be nice to have but with a downsized post, there is not the population to support them since most businesses like those will not count post as part of the population  it is difficult if not impossible to bring in those types of business at least that is what I have always heard. We need a plant ( anywhere in Pulaski County) that could hire locals bring in more people to work there and pick up the economic slack that would be cause if the post did lose folks. The other part of bringing in a business aside from tax breaks from state and local governments is the fact we donít have a really large (working age) population base to begin with. A rough estimate 61% of Pulaski County is between the ages of 18-64.  And while we all agree that we need something donít forget that with post this area would be a whole lot smaller and poorer.  Little towns naturally grow around a base, both the ones that were there before the base and the ones that come after. If this does happen without something to take its place it will affect everyone.

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« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2013, 07:16:25 PM »
Fish, a mall, entertainment businesses, would be the last thing we need if post would close or cut back on employees.  There wouldn't be enough people to support them. 
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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2013, 08:24:43 PM »
Fish, a mall, entertainment businesses, would be the last thing we need if post would close or cut back on employees.  There wouldn't be enough people to support them.
   So True!  We would not be here if not for the Army. Ike spent his years growing the base and that is what she should continue doing.  Its something worth fighting for and i hope Vicky is beating down ever door trying to do just that!  You just don't pump Millions into a area and then start going backwards.  Every business we have we got because of the base growing.  Just word of this possibly happening is enough to stop what is being developed and that's the last thing we need
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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2013, 01:19:12 AM »
and there you have it, small thinking. a mall would attract people from Lebanon to rolla.
if the population on base was reduced, the main mission would still remain, training. the basic and ait trainees have money to burn. how many are at the lake when it opens? There is a steady flow of that demographic in all the branches. they are here 5 wks to almost a year. there is actually more for them to do on base than off. bringing in entertainment that they will spend money on will increase jobs.  more payroll in the county, more sales, more sales tax. Manufacturing will bring jobs and much of the paycheck would be spent right here by the people living here. the ones from out of town that commute would still spend money here. developing the area is the best preparation for a world without the fort here. when you put all your eggs in one spot you are set up for failure. the room is here for a mall, light industry, entertainment. the sitting by doing nothing will only make things worse. There are a lot of retired folks here. That is a stable and growing population that can't be ignored either.

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« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2013, 01:33:48 AM »
and there you have it, small thinking. a mall would attract people from Lebanon to rolla.
if the population on base was reduced, the main mission would still remain, training. the basic and ait trainees have money to burn. how many are at the lake when it opens? There is a steady flow of that demographic in all the branches. they are here 5 wks to almost a year. there is actually more for them to do on base than off. bringing in entertainment that they will spend money on will increase jobs.  more payroll in the county, more sales, more sales tax. Manufacturing will bring jobs and much of the paycheck would be spent right here by the people living here. the ones from out of town that commute would still spend money here. developing the area is the best preparation for a world without the fort here. when you put all your eggs in one spot you are set up for failure. the room is here for a mall, light industry, entertainment. the sitting by doing nothing will only make things worse. There are a lot of retired folks here. That is a stable and growing population that can't be ignored either.
   And there you have it NO THINKING...  Fish the study covers phelps laclede and pulaski counties.  Companies that want to put a business here look at JOBS in the area that would support them opening up.  You cant have a "build it and they will come " mentality as a business plan, dumb stratagy....We live and die by this military base and while the Majority in Pulaski county knew it and voted for Ike, The rest of you who voted for that R in front of the box sealed our fate.  Vicky just happened to have her name in front of that R and all she is worried about is her farms, she could care less about Pulaski County.  I sent her a link to this thread, lets see if SHE HAS THE BALLS to stop by and tell us her plan.    I aint holding my breath
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« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2013, 01:48:31 AM »
it wasn't the "R" that cost ike the election. obamacare. he is also up in yrs and frail after his wife's death. He may not have had the stamina for the tasks ahead. I voted for him until he caved.

before a business comes, they will do research for many details. what is the unemployment rate for those counties?

living and dying by the fort is a plan for failure. blame Vicky all you want, but ike would not be the answer either. the people and local developers are the answer. what are their plans?

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« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2013, 02:08:59 AM »
Has anyone looked at the population on the post over time you might be surprised?

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« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2013, 07:34:12 AM »
I hate to say it but I warned you of this when ike lost the election. He had a point of taking care of us. Vickie dont give a shit. Plainly stating.
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« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2013, 03:43:43 PM »
I hate to say it but I warned you of this when ike lost the election. He had a point of taking care of us. Vickie dont give a shit. Plainly stating.
  I agree.  She did not care about us then and she dont care about us now. 
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« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2013, 03:47:28 PM »
it wasn't the "R" that cost ike the election. obamacare. he is also up in yrs and frail after his wife's death. He may not have had the stamina for the tasks ahead. I voted for him until he caved.

before a business comes, they will do research for many details. what is the unemployment rate for those counties?

living and dying by the fort is a plan for failure. blame Vicky all you want, but ike would not be the answer either. the people and local developers are the answer. what are their plans?
  This is what they will research and see.   and is why no one will want to put anything here
The projected economic impact in the three county region (Laclede, Phelps and Pulaski) would be as follows:

Annual Sales Annual Income Employment Population
-$167.6M -$177.9M -4,818 -9,729
-8% -6.75% -11.21% -7.5%

There would also be a loss of almost 3,700 K12 students in the region.

The study also identifies a loss of 10% of training load and an unknown percent of Other Service members that are not factored into the analysis.
 
 
 
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Re: SQUARELY on Vicky Hartzler's Shoulders
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2013, 11:52:10 PM »
so why hasn't this area been booming with all what the army provides. lazy developers. it is more important to build houses than business or manufacturing that would build a solid economic foundation. no interest in making this a strong economic area. just rely on the army to provide all. that is the same mentality as the 47% relying on the gov't. and if, if this proposal goes through, how will the area respond? just whining on how the army /gov't let this area down? the fort isn't here for us. it is here to accomplish a mission. the economic affects over the yrs are just side benefits.