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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #150 on: June 26, 2013, 04:57:59 PM »

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  Sure makes me proud to know I spent 43 years protecting idiots like this. Why don't you try the police academy and come out here and SHOW us how the job should be done. Got the balls to do that??
JB
JB - I am not an "Idiot", and there's no need to be rude by name calling. That was uncalled for.
Why such an angry response? A response which, by the way, was not a valid debate point in a reply to my post, about police integrity.
If I understand your reply correctly, you were telling me to go to police academy, and then become a police officer, and I would see that I would need to carry a throw down weapon also - to get the job done RIGHT?
So now I must ask: How does carrying a throw down weapon, have any affect on getting the job done RIGHT?
It's only possible effect would be - to get the job done WRONG - as in wrongful death!
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
In closing, I do want to thank you and policemen everywhere, for putting their life at risk while performing their duties.
Thank you.
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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #151 on: June 26, 2013, 05:37:30 PM »
The problem is you hear more about bad cops than you do good cops and  there seems to be more and more bad cops. 

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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #152 on: June 26, 2013, 07:34:46 PM »
JB - I am not an "Idiot", and there's no need to be rude by name calling. That was uncalled for.
Why such an angry response? A response which, by the way, was not a valid debate point in a reply to my post, about police integrity.
If I understand your reply correctly, you were telling me to go to police academy, and then become a police officer, and I would see that I would need to carry a throw down weapon also - to get the job done RIGHT?
So now I must ask: How does carrying a throw down weapon, have any affect on getting the job done RIGHT?
It's only possible effect would be - to get the job done WRONG - as in wrongful death!
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
In closing, I do want to thank you and policemen everywhere, for putting their life at risk while performing their duties.
Thank you.



   Yes, you tripped my anger button. Over 43 years in LE I have seen ten's of thousands of examples of officers doing the job above and beyond what was expected. I have only seen a handful of the "bad" cops in action and they piss me off as much as they do you. No, you did not understand my point. It was go to the academy and find out why you do not carry a "throw down" weapon. Your flat out statement that most cops carry one is not correct. There may be a few fools who do but that is stupid on their part. Why?

 Simple, when it comes to the power of arrest there is no magic difference between you and me. You have the same power to arrest for both felonies and misdemeanors as I do. The diff is that the law confers upon the commissioned officer the "reasonable man" standard. Thus I can make an arrest that turns out not to be valid later but as long as the circumstances I cite for making the arrest are reasonable the arrested person will most likely not win the suit. Same with wrongful death. You may disagree with it but if the actions of the officer were reasonable then the death is not a crime. Now carry a "premeditated throw down weapon" and employ it in such a case and the officer will be charged with a crime. He just convicted himself even if the shoot was later determined to be reasonable because several other statutes were violated by the throw down. The courts have always recognized the inherent danger of the job and the vast majority of their rulings reflect that understanding of the danger thus there is no reason for a throw down. This is one of the lessons from the police academy.

One of the other lessons from the police academy is the rule of three. If somebody attacks you and tries to shoot you then; 1. You must first win the gunfight. 2. You must then be able to prove the shoot was reasonable to avoid a criminal charge. 3. You must win the wrongful death civil suit that some member of his family will file. Then and only then is the incident over. Most officers try their best not to get into the shootout and they wait way to long before taking action and they frequently get shot full of holes for that slow response to deadly force being used against them.

You on the other hand must win every case or lose the suit. Same for the death. You must be found to have been in full compliance of the law for your shoot.

I do not know where you got the idea most officers carry such a weapon but it is false. If you want to debate cite your sources that such action does happen with the frequency that you cited.

Are there officers who carry such a weapon? I am sure there are. We in LE must draw our recruits from the common public employment pool. We try hard not to hire a dud but we miss the mark sometimes. I am sure you have met a fool in every job out there at one time or another. Police work is the same.

I subscribe to several police only information sites that pass on the latest word in cases and incidents from around the USA every day. The vast, vast, majority of the cases and incidents cited show outstanding work by officers all across the USA. But they also pass on the bad cop stories and when you draw from all of the USA then yes there are several of them cited. I kind of agree with Chas in that it seems like you hear about more and more bad cops in the mainstream media every day. I do not like that trend.

I called you an idiot but you implied that I was a criminal who carried a "throw down." I made my statement in anger but I do not know why you made your statement.

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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #153 on: June 27, 2013, 10:03:03 AM »
I say if that is "The Watchful Eye's" real picture.....then who gives a crap if she's right or wrong?
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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #154 on: June 27, 2013, 01:08:12 PM »
JB,
  Kind of off topic but I will ask anyway.  Are LE Officers allowed to carry a "backup" weapon assuming it is legally registered.  I hate to get all "TV" on you but I can see where one would come in handy, more so for city cops than rural.

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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #155 on: June 27, 2013, 01:17:10 PM »
JB,
  Kind of off topic but I will ask anyway.  Are LE Officers allowed to carry a "backup" weapon assuming it is legally registered.  I hate to get all "TV" on you but I can see where one would come in handy, more so for city cops than rural.

Yes, most (actually have never heard of one who would not) departments allow for a backup that has been qualified with on a dept. approved range session.

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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #156 on: August 20, 2013, 02:03:56 AM »
Hey conspiracy theorists, Division of Drug and Crime Control - State Highway Patrol has completed their investigation. I hear there will be a special city council meeting tomorrow night to announce they the Police department and it's officers are cleared of any wrong doing.

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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #157 on: August 20, 2013, 03:29:04 AM »
Steve Lawhead went around his chain of command to file a PC against Brankel and the Chief and Asst. Chief (Accused of filing a false report.) will be looking for work tommorow if anyone is looking for someone like him..

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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #158 on: August 20, 2013, 04:09:59 AM »
    Many times we critique someone elses work when we have no idea as to what it is that they do.  It's an armchair quarterback thing.  Some do it occasionally, some more often.  I know many of these people and they have been good to their word.  Let's see what the courts decide.  As much as we like to take sides, we never win when we do that.  Without actually being there and seeing it for yourself you can only speculate.  Some tend to embellish as they have already made up their minds due to a previous encounter or even the encounter of a friend or relative.  The courts are supposed to be neutral and work with the facts only.  While it may not be perfect, it certainly is more fair and consistent  than being tried in the media and rumor mills.  When the results come in and no matter how they fall we must honor that decision.  I can certainly understand anger at the loss of a loved one.  In no way was this meant to diminish that fact.  However many lives, and futures are in the balance here.  Let's respect that too. 

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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #159 on: August 20, 2013, 05:02:11 AM »
Glad to hear it. Now that I've held.my tongue...all this time.....some of you people can find.something else to attack....maybe.on a different.site.......so those of us who just.want.to.be.informed and.discuss shit can do that without idiotic attacks and baseless rumor mill "facts"
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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #160 on: August 20, 2013, 01:06:04 PM »
Hey conspiracy theorists, Division of Drug and Crime Control - State Highway Patrol has completed their investigation. I hear there will be a special city council meeting tomorrow night to announce they the Police department and it's officers are cleared of any wrong doing.
So you know this to be fact Rick??? How did you get your info so fast if it hasn't been released as of yet??? Or is this just anther secret of Pulaski Co that no one can know???

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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #161 on: August 20, 2013, 02:01:09 PM »
Have I ever lied to you before?

So you know this to be fact Rick??? How did you get your info so fast if it hasn't been released as of yet??? Or is this just anther secret of Pulaski Co that no one can know???

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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #162 on: August 20, 2013, 04:55:45 PM »
Have I ever lied to you before?
Heck I have no idea??? Maybe your just good. ;-)  http://youtu.be/YWyCCJ6B2WE

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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #163 on: August 21, 2013, 12:29:38 PM »
Now, who's gonna jump on the bandwagon & trash Lawhead like Brankel & Robertson were? Or, is the MSHP now involved in the cover up? I've flipped between the Today Show & Good Morning America all morning, but can't seem to find this story on the National news...
C'mon, Brankel & Robertson are cold blooded, lying killers & Lawhead walks on water, right? There was a good amount of shit stirring before, why so quiet now? Still no reason for the great one to be on admin leave?
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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #164 on: August 21, 2013, 05:13:22 PM »
I waited until noon today to check this topic because I just knew there would be a whole bunch of comments and surprise! Just_A_Biker seems to have taken over the whole market all by himself. Got to agree with him where is everybody?

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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #165 on: August 21, 2013, 05:48:19 PM »
OK , I'll bite maybe the WPD is really good at cover ups and that is why MSHP didn't find anything.

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« Reply #166 on: August 21, 2013, 06:12:07 PM »
You did listen to the noon news today right? The story that detailed a number of facts that preclude a cover up?

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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #167 on: August 21, 2013, 07:25:48 PM »
No I didnít and just caught part of last night. I thought you wanted someone to start stirring again , so that is what I did.  Besides what does it matter whether I believe it or not? It is over nothing else will come from this.  I see nothing wrong with going around the chain of command if you think the chain of command is part of the problem, but you better be sure you are right.

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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #168 on: August 21, 2013, 07:53:47 PM »
I have stayed out of it. I typed a few things over the weeks just to delete them. I was on the side of WPD the entire time. But I am bias, I have known the West history since the father Ralph West worked at the Jungle Room and was with a guy that shot soemone years ago and turned States evidence.

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« Reply #169 on: August 21, 2013, 08:31:25 PM »
Brankle passed a lie detector, the MSHP said he did not do the hit and run so they did not do an investigation in to a cover up since according to their finding there was nothing to cover up.  So doing what Just a biker asked. What about Lawhead?  What about the stuff he found was that explained and Lawhead is he mental, a rogue cop that for giggles thought he could bring down the WPD?

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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #170 on: August 21, 2013, 11:34:11 PM »
My condolences to the family, no matter what, someone here died and that's a crying shame..

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« Reply #171 on: August 22, 2013, 05:29:14 PM »
Brankle passed a lie detector, the MSHP said he did not do the hit and run so they did not do an investigation in to a cover up since according to their finding there was nothing to cover up.  So doing what Just a biker asked. What about Lawhead?  What about the stuff he found was that explained and Lawhead is he mental, a rogue cop that for giggles thought he could bring down the WPD?


   Well all I can say is that IF and I say IF, I were inclined to do a PC on a fellow officer and accuse the department of a cover up then I would want all of my ducks , after a triple check of the facts with no gaps, lined up and quacking in unison before such a PC was written.

1. The rumors started the night of the incident. Brankel was on the scene of the burglary helping PCSD. Several officers saw him there. He was there ahead of most of those officers. Nobody saw a damaged car that he was driving. And by the way he ran the wanted checks on several of the suspects at the burglary scene and can clearly be heard on the 911 radio traffic tape.

2.  After the rumors got going that night I know of at least two MSHP Troopers and one PCSD deputy who, acting independently of each other that night or early the next morning, inspected Brankel's car for damage and found none. All of this was fairly well known to local LE at the time of the incident and it should not have needed a major investigation to discover these facts and blow the PC out of the water.

3. And oh by the way Brankel was going north, the car that hit her was going south.

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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #172 on: August 22, 2013, 10:26:43 PM »
And yet there will always be people who think our nation knocked down the twin towers, there was a gunman in the area of the grassy knoll etc..... They are called conspiracy theorists.


   Well all I can say is that IF and I say IF, I were inclined to do a PC on a fellow officer and accuse the department of a cover up then I would want all of my ducks , after a triple check of the facts with no gaps, lined up and quacking in unison before such a PC was written.

1. The rumors started the night of the incident. Brankel was on the scene of the burglary helping PCSD. Several officers saw him there. He was there ahead of most of those officers. Nobody saw a damaged car that he was driving. And by the way he ran the wanted checks on several of the suspects at the burglary scene and can clearly be heard on the 911 radio traffic tape.

2.  After the rumors got going that night I know of at least two MSHP Troopers and one PCSD deputy who, acting independently of each other that night or early the next morning, inspected Brankel's car for damage and found none. All of this was fairly well known to local LE at the time of the incident and it should not have needed a major investigation to discover these facts and blow the PC out of the water.

3. And oh by the way Brankel was going north, the car that hit her was going south.

                 JB

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Re: City of Waynesville sued for alleged cover-up
« Reply #173 on: August 24, 2013, 03:04:19 PM »
And yet there will always be people who think our nation knocked down the twin towers, there was a gunman in the area of the grassy knoll etc..... They are called conspiracy theorists.



You trying to say Al Gore did not crash the internet into the Twin Towers?