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Wrong way Jay at it Again
« on: July 05, 2013, 07:10:46 PM »

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Vetoes important bill that would have given the feds a big bite in the ass.  Please do not berate me about the so called supremacy clause.  It is a myth in that states have overriding rights  and the Constitution actually LIMITS the feds, not give them more power. 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/05/missouri-governor-vetoes-bill-that-nullified-fed-gun-laws/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/05/mo-gov-vetoes-guns/2492771/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/5/missouri-gov-jay-nixon-vetoes-bill-moot-federal-gu/

He has also shown his true colors regarding things like Sharia Law. Several excuses, but no good reason for the veto.  We are not and should not be subjected to this kind of religious law.   He needs to go with the next election.

http://www.mbcpathway.com/2013/06/gov-nixon-vetoes-anti-sharia-bill/


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Re: Wrong way Jay at it Again
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2013, 10:10:02 PM »
Thanks for posting.

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Re: Wrong way Jay at it Again
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2013, 01:10:08 PM »
Article 6 of the Constitution is pretty clear.  In pursuance of CONSTITUTIONAL Laws.  Not laws which abrogate our civil rights. 

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

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Re: Wrong way Jay at it Again
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2013, 08:19:00 PM »
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Re: Wrong way Jay at it Again
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2013, 12:45:09 PM »
To say that federal law always trumps state law is a flawed assertion. I was in active military service for 21 years and remember how there were many who misunderstood what it meant to be obligated to follow orders. Some service members who didn't understand military protocol, just as some civilians don't understand the constitution, believed they were obligated to follow ALL orders when in fact the UCMJ requires subordinates to follow LAWFUL Orders. Why does this compare? Simple - the federal government operating outside its constitutional boundaries is exactly the same as a superior officer giving an unlawful order. It IS indeed true that a subordinate is required to follow a lawful order from a superior just like federal laws trump state law when said federal law is within its constitutional boundaries.

 I find it both sad and entertaining that there are so many who have been fooled in to believing that federal law trumps state law no matter what! This assertion is absurd and if you draw it to its logical conclusion we could literally dissolve all 50 states and simply have one supreme government in DC. Really? Is that what we want? I think not.

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Re: Wrong way Jay at it Again
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2013, 08:19:15 PM »
He needed to veto it. He was correct that it would be illegal for newspapers to publish pictures of young hunters. It would change the concealed carry to 19. Why? Just because you disagree with the Supremacy clause doesn’t mean you are right. It has held up in court time and time again. 
Supremacy Clause
The Supremacy Clause of Article IV of the Constitution establishes treaties and federal law as the supreme law of the land, voiding any state law that acts in conflict. A state law in conflict with any provision of the Constitution is also void. Subsequent case law has voided state and local laws that conflict with the clear objectives of federal law.


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Re: Wrong way Jay at it Again
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2013, 09:37:53 PM »
Read the above post.  These laws must be pursuant to the Constitution.  They are not.  and it is not Nixon's call to decide Constitutionality.  He will be overridden.  I don't agree with the age 19 issue.  I do believe though that when federal laws are in contravention to the Constitution, the 10th Amendment takes affect and states may decide for themselves.  Here is an example.  SCOTUS determined guns could be controlled because of the interstate commerce clause.  States have now determined that guns manufactured within their confines and remain there are not subject to ATF or any other federal oversight.  No interstate commerce.  But ATF "policy" seems to have an overriding affect.  States are correct in this one.  Hell with the corrupt administration and doj no holder.
Some might want to look into what really happened in 1934 when SCOTUS said a shortened barrel shotgun had no military application.  I beg to differ.  Might also want to look at the court case as it was one sided. Only one side of the argument was heard then.  Then look at the GCA for 1968 and 1986.  The verbiage was taken directly from the same acts created by Hitler.  Coincidence?  I think not.
So you can read it again. Directly from the Constitution:

Article 6 of the Constitution is pretty clear.  In pursuance of CONSTITUTIONAL Laws.  Not laws which abrogate our civil rights. 

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

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Re: Wrong way Jay at it Again
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2013, 03:05:40 PM »
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Re: Wrong way Jay at it Again
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2013, 05:00:57 PM »
No comments from you Edward?  Difficult to argue against facts I know.