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Sometimes those in the sciences as they study there field come to realize through their examination of science that life is just to complex to be random, this is one example.
(read the comments too!) http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread979450/pg1
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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2013, 10:00:19 AM »
There are a lot more scientist who come to this conclusion than we know, but they are afraid to come out because of ridicule, loss of funding, etc.. Yes there is a conspiracy to stop creation and promote atheism through the Evolution myth, Why? look up the Communist agenda, socialism and atheism go hand in hand..
 It isn't easy to un-brainwash people when they been taught Evolution and millions of years since grade school and on TV and movies constantly. A big win for the socialist running the government and public schooling, they succeeded in turning out lots of atheistic animals instead of Godly people.
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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2013, 02:30:28 PM »
First comment sums this up.


This is just another example of the thought process, "I don't understand and am overwhelmed by awe of nature, therefore, "God".

But who designed and created God?

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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2013, 01:31:35 AM »
God is the alpha and the omega. that is all you need to understand He is and always will be.

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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2013, 09:32:01 AM »
The only part of the bible that mentions what you just said fish is revelations..........................LOL

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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2013, 09:33:25 AM »
better hope your mom doesnt turn into one of the many crazy gunman plaguing our country or she could be your alpha and omega

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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2013, 09:34:58 AM »
Alpha and omega doesnt mean was and always will be.    it means the start and the end...fitting it would be in revelations only in the bible..considering it was made polular in greek times and is in their ABCs

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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2013, 12:27:09 PM »
First comment sums this up.


This is just another example of the thought process, "I don't understand and am overwhelmed by awe of nature, therefore, "God".

But who designed and created God?
I can use the same sentence for the atheist......"I don't understand and am overwhelmed by awe of nature, therefore, "TIME". WTH is time?
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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2013, 12:23:00 AM »
ya might want to check other quotes too hi, such as "I am with you always, even unto the end of the world". It is the meaning that is important. scoff all you want, but you cannot deny the power of God!

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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2013, 04:22:22 PM »
I deny the power and existence of god...there I just did it.  I do believe in the flying spagetti monster though.

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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2013, 04:38:04 PM »
deny all you want hi, you are proven wrong daily! one day you will accept the truth

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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2013, 04:44:13 PM »
I can use the same sentence for the atheist......"I don't understand and am overwhelmed by awe of nature, therefore, "TIME". WTH is time?
Objection, Atheist says I don't understand how things happened, I can make educated guess's using what I know about the real world. I might not know what caused the animals today, but I understand enough about genetics to know that small changes over time can add up. I do not see a limit to it, and I notice enough changes in the fossil records to see that there seems to be some form of patterns.
Also noticing that the same animal can have different appendages depending on there environment I can guess that they all have the same ancestor.
In the end it is our best guess of what happened. Might I be wrong.... Sure but that does not mean I just throw up my arms and say god done it unless the evidence points to it.

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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2013, 05:54:09 PM »
Objection, Atheist says I don't understand how things happened, I can make educated guess's using what I know about the real world. I might not know what caused the animals today, but I understand enough about genetics to know that small changes over time can add up. I do not see a limit to it, and I notice enough changes in the fossil records to see that there seems to be some form of patterns.
Also noticing that the same animal can have different appendages depending on there environment I can guess that they all have the same ancestor.
In the end it is our best guess of what happened. Might I be wrong.... Sure but that does not mean I just throw up my arms and say god done it unless the evidence points to it.
"educated guess's "  lol You could learn the truth and quit "guessing" at everything!
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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2013, 06:05:34 PM »
"educated guess's "  lol You could learn the truth and quit "guessing" at everything!
No one can not, It is impossible to "know" anything. The three assumptions build all knowledge that we can have. We believe we exist in a universe. We believe that the things in it can make sense, and we believe that the things that give more insight are beter than the things that dont. We can prove none of these things, but they seem to work... However if we are just part of the windfish's dreams, how do we know until the dreamer awakens.

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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2013, 01:04:05 AM »
the fossil record is incomplete. it is impossible to make an "educated" guess without all the information. dismissing God results in an uneducated guess. assumptions are not beter (better) than facts. it is perfectly logical to believe God created the universe. all creation is from God. can man create life from dead? no. can man create an earth? nope.

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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2013, 01:47:23 AM »
the fossil record is incomplete. it is impossible to make an "educated" guess without all the information. dismissing God results in an uneducated guess. assumptions are not beter (better) than facts. it is perfectly logical to believe God created the universe. all creation is from God. can man create life from dead? no. can man create an earth? nope.
The fossil record in incomplete but it never points away from a common ancestor. It is ok to make a educated guess when we don't have all the information, we never will have it all. I do not dismiss god, if evidence pointed to a god I would sure give it a swing. However there is nothing that points to a creator god. You ask if man can create life... That's stupid, of course we do. In fact every day millions of new lives are created through sex. Now if you mean life from scratch,  Well even your god could not do that. (The breath of life came from god in your story. Thus god was even unable to create life from scratch, but instead had to use a piece of himself.)
Can we create it from death... Sure every time we eat a steak we are turning dead meat into new cells (IE New life from dead)
As for a world... Ever heard of the international space station. It is a self contained living environment. If you want a full fledged planet I would say wait a few hundred years. It really isn't a hard project to build planets, just a time and money intensive one.

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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2013, 01:55:43 AM »
God is the alpha and the omega. that is all you need to understand He is and always will be.

When God personally tells me to give my money to the TV Evangelist.
And start voting for Republicans, I will.
Until then, I don't think the average bible thumper has a firm grip on reality.
"The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?"

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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2013, 03:59:18 AM »
LOL LOL God doesn't get involved in politics! however His kingdom will be set up on earth! It will be a perfect government. You can read about it in the bible! which tv evangelist arte you talking about? there is nothing wrong with contributing to those spreading God's word. although it is difficult at times to separate the true followers from those just making a buck.

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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2013, 04:23:27 AM »
dead meat is dead. the vitamins and minerals are dead but help us sustain life through the nutrition; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrition.

who is going to build the planet? LOL LOL when has man created anything from nothing? LOL LOL

the sperm and the egg are living cells. we cannot create life from dead materials. we can plant a seed, water it, but God causes the growth. I guess you need to take a biology class to understand this ! Better read genesis again. God created man from the dust of the earth. It is perfectly logical to believe there is a God that created the universe and everything in it. To date man has not created anything from nothing.

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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2013, 01:38:57 PM »
The fossil record in incomplete but it never points away from a common ancestor. It is ok to make a educated guess when we don't have all the information, we never will have it all. I do not dismiss god, if evidence pointed to a god I would sure give it a swing. However there is nothing that points to a creator god. You ask if man can create life... That's stupid, of course we do. In fact every day millions of new lives are created through sex. Now if you mean life from scratch,  Well even your god could not do that. (The breath of life came from god in your story. Thus god was even unable to create life from scratch, but instead had to use a piece of himself.)
Can we create it from death... Sure every time we eat a steak we are turning dead meat into new cells (IE New life from dead)
As for a world... Ever heard of the international space station. It is a self contained living environment. If you want a full fledged planet I would say wait a few hundred years. It really isn't a hard project to build planets, just a time and money intensive one.
Wow,  Stay down Dude!
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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2013, 08:33:38 PM »
dead meat is dead. the vitamins and minerals are dead but help us sustain life through the nutrition; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrition.
So I can't use dead things to charge living things, I am assuming that created cells don't count either. Can you stop moving the goal post please, I answered your first question. Dead material is turned into living mater. You did not say that I could not use a living material to turn dead into living.

who is going to build the planet?
You really think smashing rocks together is so hard. It's to expensive to do, but there is no technological marvel to it.
LOL LOL when has man created anything from nothing? LOL LOL
Have you ever seen something from nothing. There was never nothing, there is no point in time when nothing existed.

the sperm and the egg are living cells. we cannot create life from dead materials.
We have built cells

we can plant a seed, water it, but God causes the growth.
Nope, no evidence for your assumption.

I guess you need to take a biology class to understand this
Biology never has seen god, Biology is built with the glue of evolution.
Better read genesis again.
I would but I dont' read fairy tales until bed time to my son, and I already promised to read him jack the giant killer this week.
God created man from the dust of the earth.
Um no he didn't, it's not even a intelligent thing to say. Talk about not knowing biology
It is perfectly logical to believe there is a God that created the universe and everything in it. To date man has not created anything from nothing.
To date man has never seen nothing. Nothing does not exist and neither does before the big bang. That is not to say the universe is immortal. It is saying that there is a finite amount of time that time has existed.

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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2013, 01:58:33 AM »
dead material cannot be turned into living mater(matter). the hay cows eat is dead, what does it turn into? the food we eat is dead. maybe look up nutrition ?

breaking rocks together is to(too) expensive? LOL LOL sense when would the cost of creating another planet be cost prohibitive? LOL LOL

there was never nothing? LOL read the description of the earth before God created it!

jail cells but not living cells! man cannot create life from dead materials.

explain why some seeds grow and some don't.

read the title of this thread again! LOL evolution is still a theory. Creationism is a fact and proven daily!

you want to dismiss the truth, your problem. doesn't make it untrue!

read genesis again. it explains how man was created. kinda like the chicken and the egg, which came first!

look in front of you. there is something because God created all. look into empty space. there is nothing. if you have a hard time finding nothing, look in the mirror! in the spanse of time, we are just a vapor. but still a prized creation of God's.

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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2013, 05:24:53 AM »
dead material cannot be turned into living mater(matter). the hay cows eat is dead, what does it turn into? the food we eat is dead. maybe look up nutrition ?
Yes look it up, that nutrition is turned into new cells

breaking rocks together is to(too) expensive? LOL LOL sense when would the cost of creating another planet be cost prohibitive? LOL LOL
 
When one is talking about trillions of tons, yeah it gets expensive. A pebble isn't expensive, but I don't plan on building a pyramid out of it

there was never nothing? LOL read the description of the earth before God created it!
Or how it actually happened. There was a collection of hydrogen gas that, through gravity, pulled tighter together until the gravitational force overcomes the strong force and hydrogen begins to fuse into helium. As rotation begins the gases begin to create a excretion disk that, as bulkier areas start to form they collect and form planets and other bodies. 


jail cells but not living cells! man cannot create life from dead
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2981138/Scientist-creates-first-man-made-cell.html... How far now will the goalpost be moved.

explain why some seeds grow and some don't. 
being fit, right environment, not getting eaten, not getting killed by bacterium, bad soil... I can go on.

read the title of this thread again! LOL evolution is still a theory. Creationism is a fact and proven daily!
Not understanding what a theory is in science. Even courts say that creationism is not science. 

you want to dismiss the truth, your problem. doesn't make it untrue! 
No, I don't have to. Reality makes your book fall apart.

read genesis again. it explains how man was created. kinda like the chicken and the egg, which came first!
Egg idiot. Eggs were around long before birds were around.

look in front of you. there is something because God created all. look into empty space. there is nothing. if you have a hard time finding nothing, look in the mirror! in the spanse of time, we are just a vapor. but still a prized creation of God's.
No there is something everywhere we look. Even if it looks like nothing there is a lot going on. Just cause you want to give up the mystery in life doesn't mean you should force it on others.

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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2013, 05:40:26 PM »
keep dancing ebilly! what we eat is absorbed into our body of existing cells.

then only God can create a planet. you just proved it! LOL LOL

prove there was hydogen gas and all the other gases when the world was created! that whole theory is bs. Prove it happened!

your link does not go to what you are trying to sell! LOL man has been making cells for years! jail cells, cells used on solar panels,..etc!

ever hear of hydroponics? soil isn't needed. same process, same result. God is the cause of the result!

yeah, trust the courts! LOL LOL creationism is a fact. science has not disproven it and has not proven evolution or big bang!

how did the eggs get here first? the chicken had to come fiirst. most idiots know that, a child understands that also!

there is no mystery of life. non believers just refuse to believe the truth!

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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2013, 08:22:53 PM »
My word you are ignorant.  You are killing yourself with your answers you dont think through.  If god causes the growth then he is responsible for abnormalities when things are growing....therefore responsible for human growth....thereby god is curable by man, since man can cure abnormalities in growth and vice versa create growth under any circumstance we wish through gene manipulation, soooo what your saying here is Man > God.

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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2013, 10:19:54 PM »
nope , the devil is resposible for the abnormalities. if evolution is a fact. the world and all that is in it should be perfect by. all that natural selection, eh? God is giving man the ability to cure ailments.

not too hard to figure, for some! LOL LOL LOL

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« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2013, 12:26:04 AM »
nope , the devil is resposible for the abnormalities. if evolution is a fact. the world and all that is in it should be perfect by. all that natural selection, eh? God is giving man the ability to cure ailments.

not too hard to figure, for some! LOL LOL LOL
Special pleading, you say only good can come from god, Yet he says otherwise. Isaiah 45:7 says I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create  +_+_+evil: +_+_+ I the LORD do all these things.
So god does create it.

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« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2013, 03:27:39 AM »
depending on which translation you are using, evil + calamity.Try reading the whole chapter, instead of cherry picking one verse, as usual. God was using Cyrus to glorify God. He was describing His supreme power. The chapter ends nicely: v 24; they will say of ME, " Only in the Lord are righteousness and strength. Men will come to Him, and all who were angry at Him shall be put to shame. V25; In the Lord all the offspring of Israel Will be justified and will glory.

try starting at the beginning. read Genesis again( or maybe for the 1st time). Genesis 2:16-17 And the Lord God commanded the man saying," from any tree of the garden you may eat freely, but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die.

who created the garden of eden? God also created evil so we would know what it is and looks like. grab your ears pull real tight and read . You just might learn what many of us already know!

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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2013, 03:43:40 AM »
depending on which translation you are using, evil + calamity.Try reading the whole chapter, instead of cherry picking one verse, as usual. God was using Cyrus to glorify God. He was describing His supreme power. The chapter ends nicely: v 24; they will say of ME, " Only in the Lord are righteousness and strength. Men will come to Him, and all who were angry at Him shall be put to shame. V25; In the Lord all the offspring of Israel Will be justified and will glory.
Not hearing he isn't evil. What I am hearing is that god is always right because he says so and that no mater what us weak pitiful mortals say he is just going to punish us until we do what he says.
But here is my take on all of this.
If god is evil why do we worship him
If god is good and yet lets a immortal creature mess it up, Why should we worship him.
If god is good and cares why is there no concrete evidence that he exist.
If god cares about humans why not just show himself.....
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The only logical choices are that either he doesn't exist or....
He hates humanity and loves to laugh at us.
No other answer makes sense.

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Re: A Microbiologist Explains Her Conversion From Evolution To Creation.
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2013, 05:01:50 PM »
evidence Proves God is right.

God is not evil

God has created all of us as free agents to choose which path to follow. He gives us the freedom to make good and bad choices.

there is evidence everywhere that God exists, you choose to be blind.

His creations are all that is necessary.

Why would God hate what he created?

you simply have no answers and refuse to believe the truth. one day you will be given the opportunity to believe and accept God , choose wisely.