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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2014, 05:08:28 AM »

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you were mentioned by mark, you chose to put yourself into this thread.
I was mentioned. I was called gay and I corrected it. You are the one who wouldn't just let it die.

homosexuality fits the abomination term perfectly.
No, but being a hateful person should.
just because you disagree with the source doesn't make the info wrong. again, just lip service, no proof! LOL LOL
The source lied. There information was wrong. They took the research out of context...

you demand a website face a peer review? LOL LOL all that is, is an opinion of the panel! LOL LOL
Please find out what peer review means before you look like a bigger idiot.

how do you know you practice the golden rule better than I? That is out of the bible, you don't believe in :a book of fables" ! LOL LOL
You think Jesus made the golden rule. Isn't that cute. Ever heard of the Buddah? You honestly think the bible has anything groundbreaking.

millions of sins committed every second of everyday? LOL LOL a bit of an exaggeration? LOL LOL
You are the one who keeps going on about sin this and sin that

your entire post lacks any sign of intelligent thinking. no proofs of substance. You sure you are in college?. no proofs,  you serve the same purpose as an empty can! LOL LOL LOL LOL
Yep, from you it's a compliment. If I ever sound like you I am going to commit myself to a Psych ward.

the topic is religious freedom.
Than stay on topic. I am only answering questions. I have yet to ask a single one.

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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2014, 10:50:34 AM »
Wow! Every Time you comment on here ebilly, you dig your hole a little deeper. You'll reach Hell someday! Trust in a couple old men when they tell you that your version of the world (and the one your being taught at atheist school) is the "Fairy tale" not the Bible! You believe in a religion called atheism, Darwinism, spaghetti mosterism, Take your pick...but its THE WRONG RELIGION!
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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2014, 05:26:10 PM »
you quoted a bible verse that YOU said meant we were all born homosexual. that means you are homosexual! you are using it to justify you being homosexual

depends what the person hates! LOL LOL homosexuality is disgusting , which fits the defination of abomination!

again, providing no proof to support your statement. prove the source lied. prove there(their) information is wrong!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review a decision(opinion) is reached after reviewing the evidence.

I think leviticus predates buddah

no, you are the one that goes on about sin. that aliar shouldn't marry, an adulturer shouldn't be allowed to marry!

it is a compliment to spout noise about what you disagree with without proo any proof to support your statements? can't support liesf? LOL LOL

You are the one starting the tangent on homos. you started by trying to confuse the homo issue with racism. having a hard time keeping your lies straight?

you haven't asked a single question? LOL LOL another whopper! better review your posts!

I stated the topic twice to remind you. you are the one refusing to discuss it and push your homo agaenda instead! you can start your own thread, as was suggested.

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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2014, 01:26:14 PM »
What happened to religious freedom?
Your religious beliefs isn't a legal right to take always the freedoms of people that disagree with you.
"The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?"

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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2014, 02:18:07 AM »
atheists do it often!

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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2014, 03:06:50 AM »
atheists do it often!
Yes taking away your rights to force others to believe in your god. Guilty

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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2014, 03:12:11 AM »
no one is forcing anyone to believe in God. prove it! but atheists force their beliefs on others through the courts. nativity scenes are a perfect example!

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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2014, 04:41:36 AM »
no one is forcing anyone to believe in God. prove it! but atheists force their beliefs on others through the courts. nativity scenes are a perfect example!
Oh you mean having religion being portrayed on public property... Oh we don't, in fact we are supporting that Satanic statue right next to the 10 commandments. We would also support Buddah, a Muslim monument ect... See the problem is you are not special. Your religion is one of many, and if you can't share you don't get to put up the nativity scene. So can I put up a sign that says There is probably no god, so be good for goodness sakes behind Jesus next year? Can I put up a Shiva next to the wise men? If not than no nativity scene on public lands, buy your own land and put it up.

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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2014, 01:42:21 PM »
There is a disagreement between Christians, who are the religious majority and Atheist's over separation of Church and State.
If the Christians become the religious minority, will they join the Atheist is wanting separation of church and state.
 
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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2014, 02:08:02 PM »
Today, many Americans think that the First Amendment says "Separation of Church and State." The Courts and the media will often refer to a ruling as being in violation of the "Separation of Church and State." A recent national poll showed that 69% of Americans believe that the First Amendment says "Separation of Church and State." You may be surprised to learn that these words do not appear in the First Amendment or anywhere else in the Constitution!1  Here is what the First Amendment actually does say.
 
http://www.schoolprayerinamerica.info/1separationchurchstate.html
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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2014, 02:13:14 PM »
Today, many Americans think that the First Amendment says "Separation of Church and State." The Courts and the media will often refer to a ruling as being in violation of the "Separation of Church and State." A recent national poll showed that 69% of Americans believe that the First Amendment says "Separation of Church and State." You may be surprised to learn that these words do not appear in the First Amendment or anywhere else in the Constitution!1  Here is what the First Amendment actually does say.
 
http://www.schoolprayerinamerica.info/1separationchurchstate.html
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
And when one religion is propped up how is it not sponsoring a religion? How is it not prohibiting free exercise when the government says that Christianity is the religion? The letter was used (by thomas Jefferson) to explain the law to the churches.

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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2014, 04:04:45 PM »
how is one religion propped up by the government?

when did government state Christianity IS the religion?    Proof?

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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2014, 04:23:47 PM »
how is one religion propped up by the government?

when did government state Christianity IS the religion?    Proof?
It hasn't "Yet" and that is what we make sure doesn't happen. When we demand equality in the square and for prayer not to be inforced by schools we make sure no one religion is propped up.

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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2014, 04:42:34 PM »
backpedaling pretty fast? LOL LOL

prayer is allowed in many schools. it is voluntary as it should be. Christianity is the only religion that prays?

Citizens are entitled to their 1st amendment rights. no business should be forced to cater to individuals or groups that conflict with their religious beliefs.


5 Reasons Christian Businesses Shouldn't Be Legally Forced To Support Gay Weddings
Townhall.com ^ | March 1, 2014 | John Hawkins

For a free society to function, a wide range of speech and behavior has to be tolerated, but that doesn't mean everyone has to approve of it. So, for example, although I don't drink, I have many friends who do. While I think Justin Bieber's music is appalling, I don't think it should be illegal. While I would like to see abortion banned except in the case of rape, incest and danger to the life of the mother, I have friends who've admitted to me that they've had abortions.


Unfortunately, when it comes to gay marriage, we have people who seem to be unable to tell the difference between tolerance and approval. It's not enough that gay marriage is legal in 17 states. As a practical matter, that means every gay American in the country can get married if he or she wants to do so while those who don't want gay marriage also have the option to live in states where the practice isn't legal. Although some Americans would like gay marriage to be legal everywhere and others, like myself, would like it to be illegal everywhere, there's something to be said for leaving the matter to each state.


This is still not enough for many liberals who've insisted on going further and actually persecuting Christian businesses who oppose gay marriage. Christians who don't want to sanction gay marriage are being sued, prosecuted and driven out of business for doing nothing more than living up to their Christian beliefs, which are incompatible with condoning gay marriage. In Oregon, Sweet Cakes by Melissa faced fines from the state and eventually lost its business because the owners declined to bake a cake for a gay wedding. In Washington State, florist Barronelle Stutzman has been sued for refusing to provide flowers for a gay wedding. The Wildflower Inn in Vermont was sued for refusing to host a gay couple’s wedding reception. Christian photographer Elane Huguenin in New Mexico was told she wasn't allowed to decline to participate in a gay marriage commitment ceremony. In New Jersey a seaside retreat, which is a United Methodist Church Christian facility, was told it wasn’t allowed to refuse a civil union ceremony.


Whether you believe as I do that all of those businesses made the right choice when they refused to sanction gay marriage, you should at least believe that they have the right to make their own decisions. Here's why....


1) Businesses should generally have the right to refuse customers: Because of slavery, segregation, Jim Crow and the other abominations Democrats forced on America, we did choose as a nation to treat race differently than most other issues. So, we do not allow businesses to discriminate based on race -- and that's a good thing. However, businesses can and do turn away customers for almost every other reason imaginable. Shouldn't they be able to do that?


Shouldn't the Super Bowl be allowed to decline an advertisement from a porn website? Shouldn't the NAACP be able to turn away KKK members from a speech? Shouldn't a movie theater be allowed to tell people who insist on using cell phones in the theater that they're not welcome? Shouldn't Wal-Mart be allowed to refuse to carry pornography in its stores? Shouldn't a nightclub be allowed to tell people wearing gang colors that they’re not welcome? Shouldn't the Democratic Party be allowed to decline ads on its website from the Republican Party? On a personal note, at my website Right Wing News I've declined advertisements from porn websites, a dating service for "sugar daddies," a dating service for people who are married, and even a t-shirt seller I considered to be homophobic. If the Westboro Baptist Church wants to sell "God h*tes F***" t-shirts on my website, should I be forced to sell it ad space even though I consider its beliefs to be repugnant and incompatible with my faith? For every American with rudimentary common sense, these questions answer themselves.


2) It violates the First Amendment: Per the First Amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


Supporting gay marriage is incompatible with Christianity. Baking a cake for a gay marriage, renting out a building for it, taking the pictures, etc., etc. could very fairly be considered sanctioning the marriage. To force a Christian to do that violates the First Amendment. This entire column could consist of that one point and it should be sufficient, but let's do continue on.


3) It's a misguided attempt to legally force people to accept gay marriage: In a very real sense, the gay marriage fight isn't about gay marriage. Civil unions confer all the same rights as marriage and the biggest point of contention on civil unions has become that they're being used as a stepping stone to gay marriage. If that wasn't an issue, civil unions would have overwhelming support and then everybody would be happy, right? Wrong. Because again, gay marriage isn't really about that.


At its core, gay marriage is really about acceptance.


A lot of gay Americans have made the mistake of centering their whole existence on their sexual orientation and so they almost see it as an insult if everything "gay" isn't treated as wonderful and fantastic. Except it's not. Everything heterosexual certainly isn't wonderful and fantastic either; so how could everything homosexual be wonderful and fantastic? Do you think these Christian bakers would bake a cake for an orgy? Would the photographer shoot naked pictures of Miley Cyrus? Would a Christian church host an S&M convention? It's highly doubtful.


The Left loves to encourage gay Americans to define their life by their sexual orientation, which cruelly sets people up for disappointment. It's now common to hear liberals say things like, "Oh well, in 20 years everybody will approve of gay weddings." Of course, liberals were saying the same thing about abortion after Roe v. Wade and how did that work out? Oh...right.


The truth is nobody gets universal acceptance. There are people who don't like me because I'm a white, conservative, Christian, male Tea Partier. I know this because I get emails and Facebook messages from them telling me so almost every day. There are a lot of terrific human beings out there who are gay, but if they make the mistake of demanding universal acceptance of everything about their sexual orientation a condition of being content, they're likely to have long, unhappy lives.


4) It's anti-Christian: There's an intense dislike of Christianity on the Left and it's an order of magnitude more intense for gay liberals for obvious reasons. Although as Billy Graham has said, "God will not judge a Christian guilty for his or her involuntary feelings," Christianity doesn't condone homosexual behavior. Under the best of circumstances, few people want to hear that they're doing something immoral. It's even worse when people feel as if they're being judged for something they believe would be difficult or even impossible to change. So, some of the people who are put in that position love getting an opportunity to victimize some poor Christian baker or florist because it allows them to lash out at Christianity by proxy. Since these Christians are paying a big price for standing up for our faith, they deserve our support.


5) It's involuntary servitude: It's highly ironic that liberals have compared a baker choosing not to bake a cake for a gay wedding to slavery and Jim Crow laws. After all, the Christian businesses are the ones that are being forced into involuntary servitude for ungrateful, vicious masters. Ask yourself why anyone with good motives would want to FORCE an unwilling person to bake his or her wedding cake or take pictures at his or her wedding? What's next? Will people who don't respond to invitations to gay weddings be charged with a hate crime?

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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #44 on: March 02, 2014, 03:13:14 PM »
Will the right wing Christian's want the majority religion to control the Government?
When their in the minority?
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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #45 on: March 02, 2014, 04:15:04 PM »
Will the right wing Christian's want the majority religion to control the Government?
When their in the minority?
Wonder what would happen if our government cut way back on sinning?
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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #46 on: March 02, 2014, 06:17:43 PM »
Wonder what would happen if our government cut way back on sinning?
Who defines what a sin it. Let's follow the bible...
We are cut to only working 6 days. If you hurt yourself on Saturday well to bad... Heck if you even want to start a fire you go to jail
No spanking, if your child disobeys you are to get the whole town to stone him
Don't believe in your god, Stone him.
Get raped, well as long as he asks you to marry him he is ok.
Multiple wives, that's fine.
Slavery, thats cool
Child rape, ok bible doesn't say anything against it.
Human Sacrifice, if it was good enough for one of the Judges of Israel it's good enough for you.
Sounds good to me

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« Reply #47 on: March 02, 2014, 07:14:16 PM »
you sure live in a twisted world ebilly.   you are still spreading lies! what happens to liars?

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« Reply #48 on: March 02, 2014, 08:33:05 PM »
I think unless you believe in God with your heart and get saved.....you will continue to misinterpret the Bible and take things out of context so you can live like the devil, make your own rules, and do it guilt free. The Bible doesn't say "Slavery, that's cool"  In fact, the slavery described in the Old Testament was quite different from the kind of slavery we think of today - in which people are captured and sold as slaves. According to Old Testament law, anyone caught selling another person into slavery was to be executed:


"He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death." (Exodus 21:16)

So, obviously, slavery during Old Testament times was not what we commonly recognize as slavery, such as that practiced in the 17th century Americas, when Africans were captured and forcibly brought to work on plantations. Unlike our modern government welfare programs, there was no safety-net for ancient Middle Easterners who could not provide a living for themselves. In ancient Israel, people who could not provide for themselves or their families sold them into slavery so they would not die of starvation or exposure. In this way, a person would receive food and housing in exchange for labor.

The Irrational Atheist by Vox DaySo, although there are rules about slavery in the Bible, those rules exist to protect the slave. Injuring or killing slaves was punishable - up to death of the offending party.1 Hebrews were commanded not to make their slave work on the Sabbath,2 slander a slave,3 have sex with another man's slave,4 or return an escaped slave.5 A Hebrew was not to enslave his fellow countryman, even if he owed him money, but was to have him work as a hired worker, and he was to be released in 7 years or in the year of jubilee (which occurred every 50 years), whichever came first.6 In fact, the slave owner was encouraged to "pamper his slave".7 Slaves back then were like migrant workers we have today. You really should at least try to believe in the Lord! He will help you get over the mental illness. But you must be genuine! Remember He knows if your trying to bluff Him! Your missing out on all the good stuff about life! Honesty, integrity, spirituality, the super natural! Have you ever seen people that look like they are about to pop because they are filled with the Holy spirit? An important verse in understanding the filling of the Holy Spirit is John 14:16, where Jesus promised the Spirit would indwell believers and that the indwelling would be permanent. It is important to distinguish the indwelling from the filling of the Spirit. The permanent indwelling of the Spirit is not for a select few believers, but for all believers. There are a number of references in Scripture that support this conclusion. First, the Holy Spirit is a gift given to all believers in Jesus without exception, and no conditions are placed upon this gift except faith in Christ (John 7:37-39). Second, the Holy Spirit is given at the moment of salvation (Ephesians 1:13). Galatians 3:2 emphasizes this same truth, saying that the sealing and indwelling of the Spirit took place at the time of believing. Third, the Holy Spirit indwells believers permanently. The Holy Spirit is given to believers as a down payment, or verification of their future glorification in Christ (2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 4:30).

 This is in contrast to the filling of the Spirit referred to in Ephesians 5:18. We should be so completely yielded to the Holy Spirit that He can possess us fully and, in that sense, fill us. Romans 8:9 and Ephesians 1:13-14 states that He dwells within every believer, but He can be grieved (Ephesians 4:30), and His activity within us can be quenched (1 Thessalonians 5:19). When we allow this to happen, we do not experience the fullness of the Spirit's working and His power in and through us. To be filled with the Spirit implies freedom for Him to occupy every part of our lives, guiding and controlling us. Then His power can be exerted through us so that what we do is fruitful to God. The filling of the Spirit does not apply to outward acts alone; it also applies to the innermost thoughts and motives of our actions. Psalm 19:14 says, "May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer."

 Sin is what hinders the filling of the Holy Spirit, and obedience to God is how the filling of the Spirit is maintained. Ephesians 5:18 commands that we be filled with the Spirit; however, it is not praying for the filling of the Holy Spirit that accomplishes the filling. Only our obedience to God's commands allows the Spirit freedom to work within us. Because we are still infected with sin, it is impossible to be filled with the Spirit all of the time. When we sin, we should immediately confess it to God and renew our commitment to being Spirit-filled and Spirit-led.
THIS IS WHAT YOUR MISSING OUT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2014, 09:09:26 PM »
you are right Mark! ebilly and others like him have no idea what they are missing out on. they will always have the opportunity to change that though!

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« Reply #50 on: March 02, 2014, 09:28:32 PM »
you sure live in a twisted world ebilly.   you are still spreading lies! what happens to liars?
They work for the government silly. But every single thing I mentioned is in the bible, READ IT.

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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #51 on: March 02, 2014, 09:38:15 PM »
I think unless you believe in God with your heart and get saved.....you will continue to misinterpret the Bible and take things out of context so you can live like the devil,
So you can only read the bible if you believe in god. That's just stupid, one can read any other tomb of wisdom and learn but god made it so you can't learn. Really? And as for sinning. I don't smoke, drink or had any wild sex parties. I have never been to jail or prison and support my sons school... How am living like satan? If I am I feel real sad for satan.
make your own rules, and do it guilt free.
No one lives without guilt. I just don't have a get out of guilt free card like you.
The Bible doesn't say "Slavery, that's cool"  In fact, the slavery described in the Old Testament was quite different from the kind of slavery we think of today - in which people are captured and sold as slaves. According to Old Testament law, anyone caught selling another person into slavery was to be executed:
That's right, except if you were a defeated people correct. You were allowed to take the kids and women. Or the poor who sold themselves or children into slavery.


"He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death." (Exodus 21:16)

So, obviously, slavery during Old Testament times was not what we commonly recognize as slavery, such as that practiced in the 17th century Americas, when Africans were captured and forcibly brought to work on plantations. Unlike our modern government welfare programs, there was no safety-net for ancient Middle Easterners who could not provide a living for themselves. In ancient Israel, people who could not provide for themselves or their families sold them into slavery so they would not die of starvation or exposure. In this way, a person would receive food and housing in exchange for labor.
Dude you are holding someone without pay and have reduced them to livestock. That is never right.

The Irrational Atheist by Vox DaySo, although there are rules about slavery in the Bible, those rules exist to protect the slave. Injuring or killing slaves was punishable - up to death of the offending party.1 Hebrews were commanded not to make their slave work on the Sabbath,
Wow you gave them a day off.
2 slander a slave,3 have sex with another man's slave
Wow you can't have sex with another mans cow either.
,4 or return an escaped slave.5 A Hebrew was not to enslave his fellow countryman, even if he owed him money, but was to have him work as a hired worker, and he was to be released in 7 years or in the year of jubilee (which occurred every 50 years), whichever came first.6 In fact, the slave owner was encouraged to "pamper his slave".7 Slaves back then were like migrant workers we have today. You really should at least try to believe in the Lord! He will help you get over the mental illness. But you must be genuine! Remember He knows if your trying to bluff Him! Your missing out on all the good stuff about life! Honesty, integrity, spirituality, the super natural! Have you ever seen people that look like they are about to pop because they are filled with the Holy spirit? An important verse in understanding the filling of the Holy Spirit is John 14:16, where Jesus promised the Spirit would indwell believers and that the indwelling would be permanent. It is important to distinguish the indwelling from the filling of the Spirit. The permanent indwelling of the Spirit is not for a select few believers, but for all believers. There are a number of references in Scripture that support this conclusion. First, the Holy Spirit is a gift given to all believers in Jesus without exception, and no conditions are placed upon this gift except faith in Christ (John 7:37-39). Second, the Holy Spirit is given at the moment of salvation (Ephesians 1:13). Galatians 3:2 emphasizes this same truth, saying that the sealing and indwelling of the Spirit took place at the time of believing. Third, the Holy Spirit indwells believers permanently. The Holy Spirit is given to believers as a down payment, or verification of their future glorification in Christ (2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 4:30).

 This is in contrast to the filling of the Spirit referred to in Ephesians 5:18. We should be so completely yielded to the Holy Spirit that He can possess us fully and, in that sense, fill us. Romans 8:9 and Ephesians 1:13-14 states that He dwells within every believer, but He can be grieved (Ephesians 4:30), and His activity within us can be quenched (1 Thessalonians 5:19). When we allow this to happen, we do not experience the fullness of the Spirit's working and His power in and through us. To be filled with the Spirit implies freedom for Him to occupy every part of our lives, guiding and controlling us. Then His power can be exerted through us so that what we do is fruitful to God. The filling of the Spirit does not apply to outward acts alone; it also applies to the innermost thoughts and motives of our actions. Psalm 19:14 says, "May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer."

 Sin is what hinders the filling of the Holy Spirit, and obedience to God is how the filling of the Spirit is maintained. Ephesians 5:18 commands that we be filled with the Spirit; however, it is not praying for the filling of the Holy Spirit that accomplishes the filling. Only our obedience to God's commands allows the Spirit freedom to work within us. Because we are still infected with sin, it is impossible to be filled with the Spirit all of the time. When we sin, we should immediately confess it to God and renew our commitment to being Spirit-filled and Spirit-led.
THIS IS WHAT YOUR MISSING OUT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have to defend slavery... Let that sink in, your religion makes you defend slavery.
I don't care any of the rest of the bull, but it's sad that you find that this is ok.

MARK, FISH, WOULD YOU EVER OWN A SLAVE?
This isn't a bible question, it is a personal one. Would you own a slave, why or why not?

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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #52 on: March 02, 2014, 09:51:23 PM »
prove it with verses ebilly!

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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2014, 09:54:35 PM »
you really are consistent with the stupid questions ebilly.

maybe read a little on how slavery was used from biblical times to after the civil war here. It wasn't always compulsory. it still goes on in other countries today.

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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #54 on: March 02, 2014, 10:00:04 PM »
you really are consistent with the stupid questions ebilly.

maybe read a little on how slavery was used from biblical times to after the civil war here. It wasn't always compulsory. it still goes on in other countries today.
It's different but the idea is the same, you are putting yourself above another human and dropping them down to animal levels. Fine use the Hebrew laws but would you ever be a master, Could you ever own a slave?

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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #55 on: March 02, 2014, 10:58:57 PM »
prove it ebilly! Hebrew laws? LOL LOL you are talking about the torah! Are you referencing Judaism? you again are clueless of what you are talking about. try reading the new testament after you read the old testament.

I am guessing you will miss the point of this  story, prove me wrong!

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/03/01/was-it-miracle-bible-stops-two-bullets-to-save-bus-driver-life/?intcmp=HPBucket

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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #56 on: March 03, 2014, 01:13:30 AM »

Unlike our modern government welfare programs, there was no safety-net for ancient Middle Easterners who could not provide a living for themselves. In ancient Israel, people who could not provide for themselves or their families sold them into slavery so they would not die of starvation or exposure. In this way, a person would receive food and housing in exchange for labor. They were welfare recipients, or migrant workers. Slave is just a word that was the best fit when the Bible was written or translated. To an atheist its something to jump on to try to discredit the Bible. To a believer who's enjoying the gifts from God such as the Holy spirit its just the word that best described minimum wage back in the day. I believe dinosaurs are also in the Bible as Behemoth's or Dragon's. I also know the word 'Dinosaur' was not invented until the 1850s.
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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #57 on: March 03, 2014, 03:04:13 AM »
Wonder what would happen if our government cut way back on sinning?

Do you want the government to decide what is a sin?
And how would they cut back on it?
The Taliban wants to do the very same thing.

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Your justification and logic about slavery is flawed.
Your broke, unemployed and in legal problems.
Would you want your daughter sold into slavery?
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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #58 on: March 03, 2014, 04:00:22 AM »
most critics of Christianity miss that point Mark. many willingly indentured their entire families also, in order to survive.

Leviathan is mentioned in the bible also.

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Re: what happened to religious freedom?
« Reply #59 on: March 03, 2014, 05:13:57 AM »
most critics of Christianity miss that point Mark. many willingly indentured their entire families also, in order to survive.

Leviathan is mentioned in the bible also.
The Hebrews are 'gods' people, and should be the most blessed nation of all times. Do you see any problems with a poor family selling there daughter into slavery today? If so then you don't follow the bible.