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Joe Arpaio-Maricopa Arizona County Sheriff
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Maricopa County Website:  http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetModule&mn=About_Mcso

TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO HE IS THE MARICOPA ARIZONA COUNTY SHERIFF

AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY:

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (In Arizona) who created the "Tent City Jail":

      He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

      He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails.

      Took away their weights Cut off all but "G" movies.

      He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.

      Then He Started Chain Gangs For Women So He Wouldn't Get Sued For Discrimination.

      He took away cable TV until he found out there was a Federal Court Order that Required Cable TV For Jails.

      So He Hooked Up The Cable TV Again Only Let In The Disney Channel And The Weather Channel.  When asked why the Weather Channel He Replied, So They Will Know How Hot It's Gonna Be While They Are Working on My Chain Gangs.

      He Cut Off Coffee Since It Has Zero Nutritional Value.

      When the inmates complained, he told them, "This Isn't The Ritz/Carlton. If You Don't Like It, Don't Come Back."

      He bought Newt Gingrich' lecture series on videotape that he pipes into the jails.  When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series might explain why a lot of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.

 

More On The Arizona Sheriff:

      With Temperatures Being Even Hotter Than Usual In Phoenix (116 Degrees Just Set A New Record), the Associated Press Reports:

      About 2,000 Inmates Living In A Barbed-Wire-Surrounded Tent Encampment At The Maricopa County Jail Have Been Given Permission To Strip Down To Their Government-Issued Pink Boxer Shorts.

      On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached138 Degrees Inside The Week Before.

      Many Were Also Swathed In Wet, Pink Towels As Sweat Collected On Their Chests And Dripped Down To Their PINK SOCKS. "It Feels Like We Are In A Furnace, "Said James Zanzot, An Inmate Who Has Lived In The TENTS for 1 year. "It's Inhumane."

      Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic

      He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: "It's 120 Degrees In Iraq And Our Soldiers Are Living In Tents Too, And They Have To Wear Full Battle Gear, But They Didn't Commit Any Crimes, So Shut Your Damned Mouths!"

 

Way To Go, Sheriff!

Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders.  Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.  <)>@
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Re: Joe Arpaio-Maricopa Arizona County Sheriff
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2007, 01:07:47 AM »
Phoenix Violent Crime Rate per Capita:
Murder Is 2.24 times the National Average 
Forcible Rape Is 1.03 times the National Average
Robbery Is 1.20 times the National Average
Aggravated Assault Is 1.04 times the National Average
All Violent Crime Is 1.16 times the National Average 
 
Phoenix Property Crime Rate per Capita:
Burglary Is 1.43 times the National Average
Larceny or Theft Is 1.32 times the National Average
Car Theft Is 3.05 times the National Average
Arson Is 1.05 times the National Average
All Property Crime Is 1.58 times the National Average


But he is saving money on jail expenses.
         
     

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Re: Joe Arpaio-Maricopa Arizona County Sheriff
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2007, 01:08:18 AM »
[qoute]He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: "It's 120 Degrees In Iraq And Our Soldiers Are Living In Tents Too, And They Have To Wear Full Battle Gear, But They Didn't Commit Any Crimes, So Shut Your Damned Mouths!"[/quote]

Right on man!

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Re: Joe Arpaio-Maricopa Arizona County Sheriff
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2007, 05:27:25 AM »
How does the area compare with others of it's size crime wise?

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Re: Joe Arpaio-Maricopa Arizona County Sheriff
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2007, 06:20:28 AM »
For the record, my father died in prison in Arizona. He had cancer that went undetected for more than a year before being diagnosed because the prison system discouraged adequate medical care, and would not pay for a simple urine test to detect if the blood in his urine was caused by cancer. Instead, they waited until his kidneys failed and he had less than a year to live (almost entirely in a hospital at taxpayer expense). He lived in the tents even when he was sick up until he had to be hospitalized full time, and I visited him at that time. The conditions were horrendous, and the inmates more aggressive and hostile than what I saw when I worked in the prison here in Missouri.

When he was sick, I was not able to see or speak to him (nor could anyone else in our family) because he was too weak to talk on the phone, and the hospital refused to give us updates on his care because they were "too busy" to give "special attention" to an inmate.

It's not just the inmates that suffer. It's the family members who love them, too. And no matter how many stats you post about high crime rates, it's the recidivism rates that matter. Inmates tend to be people who do not know how to function in society to begin with. Put them in those living conditions and I promise you that it doesn't make them better people, and whether you agree or not, it's a fact that the majority of them *will* be back on the street, and angrier than ever.

 
 The Crime Index suggests the risk of certain types of crime occurring in this community as compared to the national average. The national average for each type of crime equals a score of 100, so a score of 200 would represent twice the risk as the national average, and a score of 50 would represent half the risk of the national average. 
 
By the way, crime rates in St. Robert:

Total: 1.92 times the national average.
Personal: 2.31 times
Rape: 2.62 times
Assault: 4.78 times
Property crimes: 1.32 times
Burglary: 1.42 times
Larceny: 1.57 times
Murder: .81 times
Car theft: .82 times
Robbery: .65 times
Heck is where people go when they don't believe in Gosh.

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Re: Joe Arpaio-Maricopa Arizona County Sheriff
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2007, 07:41:42 AM »
Ok, Here is another one of my Rant's... IMO If your there then there's a reason,  I think every prison should be like this one... Most inmate's these days get better education at our expense. That's b.s... Another thing kinda off the topic. I think if you are sentenced to life with out parole.. Then you should be executed because there's no point in you wasting your time nor money for that long...


For the record, my father died in prison in Arizona.
It's not just the inmates that suffer. It's the family members who love them, too. And no matter how many stats you post about high crime rates, it's the recidivism rates that matter. Inmates tend to be people who do not know how to function in society to begin with.


Ok sorry to hear about your dad.. I'm sure it the family's that suffer... but that is also there choice to commit the crimes that send them to the Pin think about that....I have family that go there constantly and the only one to blame is thereselve's no one else... 

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Re: Joe Arpaio-Maricopa Arizona County Sheriff
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2007, 01:21:08 PM »
It isn't the prison that causes the suffering, it's the prisoner who did those things to his/her family.  Maybe the prisoners will repeat offend, but they will think twice before they do something to be sent back to that "hell hole."
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Re: Joe Arpaio-Maricopa Arizona County Sheriff
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2007, 03:19:25 PM »
Ok, Here is another one of my Rant's... IMO If your there then there's a reason,  I think every prison should be like this one... Most inmate's these days get better education at our expense. That's b.s... Another thing kinda off the topic. I think if you are sentenced to life with out parole.. Then you should be executed because there's no point in you wasting your time nor money for that long...



Ok sorry to hear about your dad.. I'm sure it the family's that suffer... but that is also there choice to commit the crimes that send them to the Pin think about that....I have family that go there constantly and the only one to blame is thereselve's no one else... 

I never said he didn't earn his stay there. He did. And I suffered because he took actions that led him there. But I suffered again because of the way I had to watch him die due to inadequate medical treatment when he would have been released in a couple years had he lived.

But before you condemn the inmates, be sure that you know that they really are subhuman, and that they don't deserve to live as humans, ok? Because they're just like you and me. Every single one of us is capable of ending up there given the right circumstances. Don't believe me? Go work for a prison for a while. You'll find there are some truly evil people, and then there are the rest of them.

Our court system can take the same crime and give one person a couple years' probation and another person can be sentenced to ten years. Then we have a gazillion laws, and most of us can't even begin to know most of them (when's the last time you read the tax code, or even your state criminal codes?) Mandatory minimum sentences, three times you're out, and an ever-increasing prosecution of victimless crimes contributes to the scenario.

As far as better education, please identify which inmates those would be. Because it is not true of Missouri, Texas, Arizona or Georgia's prison systems. They have libraries, yes. But college courses? Not typical. High school level in some places, yes. That's not better than we get though.

The Justice Department statistics for 2003 showed that 1 of every 32 adults was incarcerated and/or on probation or parole during that year. We have more people in prison in this country than ever before So go ahead and cast the first stone, folks, and pray you never walk in those shoes. I am not directing this at anyone specific, because I know most people don't understand what it's really like.

On a different board, there was the posting about children dying in cars and the people who forgot their child. Such outrage and horror was expressed, and with good reason. Imagine being in your car on a hot summer day, windows up, no A/C, for ten minutes. Heck, go try it! Then pretend you have to live that way - 24/7, with an occasional break to work on a chain gang in similar temperature extremes. If you can do that and then say that it's reasonable punishment, more power to ya.
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Re: Joe Arpaio-Maricopa Arizona County Sheriff
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2007, 04:08:32 PM »
The Justice Department statistics for 2003 showed that 1 of every 32 adults was incarcerated and/or on probation or parole during that year. We have more people in prison in this country than ever before So go ahead and cast the first stone, folks, and pray you never walk in those shoes. I am not directing this at anyone specific, because I know most people don't understand what it's really like.

Well Said!!!!!  I do not have anyone in the "system", but I totally agree with what you are saying.
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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2007, 04:09:57 PM »
Sorry, I tried to quote you, but apparently it didn't work LOL
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2007, 12:45:56 AM »
Well Said!!!!!  I do not have anyone in the "system", but I totally agree with what you are saying.

Thank you.
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Re: Joe Arpaio-Maricopa Arizona County Sheriff
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2008, 12:19:37 AM »
We moved here from Mesa Az in September. Sherrif Joe is awesome!

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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2008, 07:24:36 PM »
When you talk about harsh conditions in prison, don't tell that to the lady who's husband won't be home tonight or the little boy who's father is gone forever because some dumb a$$ shot and killed him for $20.00 and change. If you do the crime, shut up and do the time.
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2008, 11:22:15 PM »
I think what most people get so upset about is that it seems that prisoners have more rights and even more privileges than a lot of other people. Most prisons do have air conditioning, there are many people who don't have air conditioning in their homes. Most prisons have cable t.v., even in the cells, and prisoners get three squares a day and medical care is provided. There are a LOT of people out there who don't have these things, some of which are luxuries, and some are necessities. It is frustrating to think that some guy or gal who committed enough of a crime to be sentenced to prison has a better deal than a lot of people who have never done anything wrong in their lives. Of course, prison should be humane. But it does not have to be comfortable, and should not be. It is supposed to be punishment. Sometimes it seems like a reward. And there are prisons where they can get a free college education...that is not right.   

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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2008, 11:41:43 PM »
But what is the purpose of prison? Are they here only to punish, or are they supposed to rehabilitate the offenders? Therein lies the problem. Which premise do you support, punishment or rehabbing? I believe there is room for both, and a lot depends on the crime.
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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2008, 12:39:16 AM »
well, I suppose that in most cases it is for rehab, but if you believe that EVERY prisoner is going to be rehabbed, well, okie, I'm pretty sure you know some people that are not going to be rehabbed...I can name one and I think you can too. In fact...

But you are right, it depends on the crime and the number of offenses. It kinda goes to the old "burn me once, shame on you; burn me twice, shame on me". Everyone deserves a chance to turn around, but not over and over and over again. And it still shouldn't be comfortable, punishment or rehabbing. Just my opinion...but you know they don't let me run things, darn it! lol

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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2008, 01:05:52 AM »
That ticks me off, I just typed a very insightful reply and lost it. Basically what I said was, perhaps we should collaborate on the way things should be run. I remember a time when we pretty much knew all the answers, or at least we thought we did at 3am. lol.
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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2008, 01:36:28 AM »
boy, ain't it the truth! I think we would still have all the answers at 3 in the morning...who isn't brilliant at that time of day? ...those were the days, my friend, those were the days!...luvya...

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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2008, 03:18:17 PM »
I was watching Lockup:San Quentin the other day and they were complaining about the food. It looked better than what most of our kids eat in these smaller school cafeterias. They also had the option of buying from the canteen, which can be expensive, and cooking in their cell. One guy made sausage taco's using an electric thing of some kind that boiled water. They have a few less privleges than mentioned above,  no cable and they don't get to go to the exercise yard everyday but it didn't look completely horrible by any means.

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« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2008, 02:46:29 PM »
My problem with this particular sheriff is that many of those incarcerated have not yet been convicted of a crime.  He still treats them as hardened criminals and if they weren't when they came in, they are when they come out.  Many of the inmates see prison as a cost of doing business and a place where they can get better education on how not to get caught next time.  Sure they have it pretty easy in there.  I worked in the Missouri Prison system for a few years and remember how easy many had it in there.  Not punishment or rehab.  Just a holding pen until they can be released to start a new crime spree when they get out.

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« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2008, 03:38:23 PM »
I never said he didn't earn his stay there. He did. And I suffered because he took actions that led him there. But I suffered again because of the way I had to watch him die due to inadequate medical treatment when he would have been released in a couple years had he lived.

But before you condemn the inmates, be sure that you know that they really are subhuman, and that they don't deserve to live as humans, ok? Because they're just like you and me. Every single one of us is capable of ending up there given the right circumstances. Don't believe me? Go work for a prison for a while. You'll find there are some truly evil people, and then there are the rest of them.

Our court system can take the same crime and give one person a couple years' probation and another person can be sentenced to ten years. Then we have a gazillion laws, and most of us can't even begin to know most of them (when's the last time you read the tax code, or even your state criminal codes?) Mandatory minimum sentences, three times you're out, and an ever-increasing prosecution of victimless crimes contributes to the scenario.

As far as better education, please identify which inmates those would be. Because it is not true of Missouri, Texas, Arizona or Georgia's prison systems. They have libraries, yes. But college courses? Not typical. High school level in some places, yes. That's not better than we get though.

The Justice Department statistics for 2003 showed that 1 of every 32 adults was incarcerated and/or on probation or parole during that year. We have more people in prison in this country than ever before So go ahead and cast the first stone, folks, and pray you never walk in those shoes. I am not directing this at anyone specific, because I know most people don't understand what it's really like.

On a different board, there was the posting about children dying in cars and the people who forgot their child. Such outrage and horror was expressed, and with good reason. Imagine being in your car on a hot summer day, windows up, no A/C, for ten minutes. Heck, go try it! Then pretend you have to live that way - 24/7, with an occasional break to work on a chain gang in similar temperature extremes. If you can do that and then say that it's reasonable punishment, more power to ya.

First of all kbohon I feel for you, I had a relative, not as close as your father but a relative still, in prison in Florida for a few years.  The stigma that the public attaches to the relatives of inmates is unfair.  I also lived in Arizona for a few years, before Sheriff Joe, and it's a pretty conservative state.  Many in this thread want crime to be stopped but they don't want to pay the price for the criminals.  And many want to criminalize almost everything which of course increased the number of prisoners.  Bottom line is this:  Prison is supposed to be for justice, and justice does not always equate to punishment.  In addition, a prisoner is innocent until proven guilty and should be treated as a human at least until the trial is over.  I'm no preacher, but I wish many around here would remember the bible says until you forgive, you can't be forgiven.  There are prisoners who committed crimes that I abhor, but those prisoners are still human beings and if we treat them as less than human, then we're no better than they are.

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« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2008, 04:16:47 PM »
The system is set up to make most parolees fail again!   When you get out of prison walk a straight line for 8 or 9 years, work everyday, come home, work around your house, stay to yourself, not get into any trouble, and try to get your right to carry a gun reinstated- you get your references to write a letter, you get your boss to write a letter, you get all your paperwork in order and send it off, then you wait and wait, you wait 3 YEARS to get a response.  When you open it up it says NO with no explaination of why, only that you have to wait another 3- 5 years before you can reapply.    The lack of respect is beyond me by a state office.  This person didn't even have a traffic ticket and first offense sent off.  Not part of the good ole boy system I guess. 
How are these psople to supposed to carry on a normal life when they play by rules only to be shot down again.  My suggestion was to play the system pay your lawyer to file the paperwork so everyone gets paid, then maybe the govenors office will actually read it.
What an injustice to those who really try,
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Re: Joe Arpaio-Maricopa Arizona County Sheriff
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2008, 05:39:19 PM »
a convicted felon loses many rights, and deservedly so. that is supposed to be part of the  deterrent to commit a crime.
 
unfortunately our justice system is the best money can buy and is filled with too many lenient judges.

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Re: Joe Arpaio-Maricopa Arizona County Sheriff
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2008, 06:28:42 PM »
a convicted felon loses many rights, and deservedly so. that is supposed to be part of the  deterrent to commit a crime.
 
unfortunately our justice system is the best money can buy and is filled with too many lenient judges.

Fish I agree with you that prisoners lose many rights once convicted.  Let's remember also, once they have served their term, they have paid their debt to society for that particular crime.  You don't punish over and over again for the same offense.  One right they should never lose is the right to be treated as a human being.  As for the judges, they have to follow the law.  If you think a judge is too lenient, maybe you should look at the law he followed in the sentencing. Kinda like activist judges:  The ones that complain the most about "activist judges" are those that actually want to elect "activist judges" to get their own views in, regardless of statutes or case law.  Just my opinion of course.

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Re: Joe Arpaio-Maricopa Arizona County Sheriff
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2008, 09:22:19 PM »
I think that intervention and programs for "at risk" pre-teens and teenagers might prevent a lot of kids from taking the wrong path.  It is a shame that our LE Departments are so understaffed that the Officers don't have much extra time that could be used in youth sports, or other such activities.  Sometimes personal interaction with a good role model can make a big difference in a kid's life.  I know that there are a lot of Boy/Girl Scout Troops in the area but what about the kids who would like to participate in such things but their families can't afford it.  Is there any type of provision made by these organizations to help these kids? 

As you can tell I am not too familiar with what all activities are available in our area for kids.  I do know that many have posted regarding the lack of things for kids to do.

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Re: Joe Arpaio-Maricopa Arizona County Sheriff
« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2008, 09:45:19 PM »
Our Cub Scout Pack would never turn anyone away for lack of funds.  In fact we pay the registration fee for all Scouts after the first year including their subscription to Boy's Life Magazine. 

Participation in Scouting overall is on the decline.  This is a darn shame as it is needed with what kids face in today's society.  I know my involvement as a youth helped keep me busy and involved.  I had the opportunity to do things that alot of friends my age never did such as travel to Europe and Canada as a teenager.

I find it a darn shame that parents will allow their child (7-10yrs) to drop out of Scouting because they just 'don't want to do it."  So they sit at home and play video games, watch tv constantly etc. and the parents will wonder when they hit their teen years why they may be in trouble. 

Ok...off my soap box. Sorry to hijack the thread.  Sheriff Joe....he is great!  I lived in AZ and watched some of his system in action.  Best one was the prostitution sting....they arrested everyone from Commisioners kids to City officials.....all live on TV.

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Re: Joe Arpaio-Maricopa Arizona County Sheriff
« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2008, 10:59:49 PM »
Our Cub Scout Pack would never turn anyone away for lack of funds.  In fact we pay the registration fee for all Scouts after the first year including their subscription to Boy's Life Magazine. 

Participation in Scouting overall is on the decline.  This is a darn shame as it is needed with what kids face in today's society.  I know my involvement as a youth helped keep me busy and involved.  I had the opportunity to do things that alot of friends my age never did such as travel to Europe and Canada as a teenager.

I find it a darn shame that parents will allow their child (7-10yrs) to drop out of Scouting because they just 'don't want to do it."  So they sit at home and play video games, watch tv constantly etc. and the parents will wonder when they hit their teen years why they may be in trouble. 

Ok...off my soap box. Sorry to hijack the thread.  Sheriff Joe....he is great!  I lived in AZ and watched some of his system in action.  Best one was the prostitution sting....they arrested everyone from Commisioners kids to City officials.....all live on TV.

Yankee your right about the Cub Scouts.  One of the best programs around.  It's been awhile since I was associated with them but I don't recall any kids ever being turned away because of a lack of funds on their part.

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Re: Joe Arpaio-Maricopa Arizona County Sheriff
« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2008, 11:48:05 PM »
The Girl Scout organization has scholarships for girls with financial difficulties...they do ask for parents to pay what they can as if there is some kind of investment, there is usually more involvement. Our troop has never turned a girl away for lack of ability to pay for ANYTHING. We feel that no girl should be told they cannot participate because they cannot afford the registration fees. It is true in Girl Scouts that there is a big drop in participation as the girls get older. And that is a shame, as there is so much for them to do and the opportunities are endless. We have a troop of 28-we are a Center with all ages-our oldest girls are 3 who are going into the 8th grade, 1 going into 7th and 5 going into 6th. I feel blessed that these girls have remained this long. There opportunities for all sorts of personal growths and college scholarships, even...I don't know why you wouldn't want that for your daughter. Okay, now I'll climb off my soapbox...YankeeTrader, my hat is off to you!

I agree with the gentleman above that no one should be treated as less than human. And I know that it is not our place as humans to pass judgement on others...however, there have to be consequences-in the here and now-for actions in the here and now. And you know as well as I do, there are criminals who will continue to do the same things-and worse-over and over again. As a human, it is difficult to be forgiving where the worst crimes occur.

I don't know the answers, but it is difficult to know that someone who has been convicted of a crime has an easier life than the average working stiff. I'm not saying living in prison in easy, I'm saying that in some prisons, there are a lot of perks.

As for people being put in Sheriff Joe's prison who haven't been convicted, that sounds like a problem in the judicial system there?

And there ARE judges who take the laws and twist them to suit their own agendas....on both sides of the fence.

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Re: Joe Arpaio-Maricopa Arizona County Sheriff
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2008, 03:15:33 AM »
not being able to own a firearm is part of a felon's sentence. just like sex offender's having to register after serving their sentence, or a person convicted of dui losing their license. they are not being repeatedly punished.
 
judges have a lot of leeway in the sentencing of offenders. Some are more strict than others. Some offenders are given one more chance too often. but that is the judge's decision. why are there so many deadbeat dads out of jail on probation but still not paying child support? just one example.

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Re: Joe Arpaio-Maricopa Arizona County Sheriff
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2008, 05:11:10 AM »
Zetter where is your troop located?