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Re: SR police getting sued
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2007, 07:50:25 PM »

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Re: SR police getting sued
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2007, 08:32:54 PM »
Since when is a cop telling you to shut up a "lawful order"?  Mace me for that. I can assure the cops many problems, starting with a lawsuit.  I can also assure you there is a good samaritin act and the cops should have been taking into account that this jerk was trying to assist the woman.  Hell, if they did assault me, they might even finding me preferring criminal charges for assault under color of law.  I would be interested in finding out the facts.  Not those the lawyers let you hear in court, but all of the facts.  As I see it, the police came on a situation and separated the combatants.  That is as it should be.  From there it went down hill.  Respect is a TWO way street and the police owe it to citizens as well as vice versa.   This makes me wonder how they would react to someone with a gun (carried lawfully) and had not been brandished.  Would they have paniced at the sight of someone other than a police officer having one?  How much force would have been used then?   Know your rights or lose them.

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« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2007, 09:18:12 PM »
Dont tase me bro!haha..sorry i had to say it but what i ment to say was two of the three cops listed have pulled me over.numeruous times for no reason personally i beleive it is because of the car i drive & maybe its because im a cute lil blonde......
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Re: SR police getting sued
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2007, 09:20:24 PM »
Carrying anything over a hundred bucks is probable cause to search your vehicle?   No wonder everyone is going plastic.  Geez.  Who knew.

And multiple tatoos are another reason?  Oh oh.
Biscuit, why did they pull you over in the first place?

I absolutely hate being treated  (in my opinion) unjustly.   I do not think I fit the profile of a dangerous person.   But I have been threatened by a deputy before, because I was trying to get help on my cell phone.   
Do they actually ask to riffle through your wallet to count your cash?   Or did they just ask and you were honest about it?
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Re: SR police getting sued
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2007, 09:51:13 PM »
Coyote, IMHO you are waaaaaay over the line in your post accusing "sneaking cheating soldiers' of taking your tax dollars....waaaaaaay over the line my friend.  I'd use quote for this IF IT WORKED  >.<
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Re: SR police getting sued
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2007, 11:30:57 PM »
Biker & TopGun, you are right. But "Disturbing the Peace" comes to mind, too. We don't know for certain until the whole story comes out, but even so my opinion isn't changing so far.

Now TopGun, if you'd sued over that, I'd have supported you.
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Re: SR police getting sued
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2007, 12:26:35 AM »
I was originally pulled over for speeding. their speed limit was 65 I was cruisin at 70 out of habit. He took my wallet when I opened it to get my liscense and all my money was in view. he then asked me to get out of the car and told me he was going to search my car. simple as that. so when I told him I didnt believe it was legal to be searched without probable cause . He said my large amount of money was probable cause, that anything over 100.00  could be questionable. I figured he was fulla shit but Like I said earlier...Arguing with em only leads to the ol club to the head...lol
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Re: SR police getting sued
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2007, 12:34:34 AM »
Christie is leaving because of getting married. Holy cow people.

   Yes her is, there was even a recent photo of the new couple to be in the local paper. It is official.
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« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2007, 12:36:41 AM »
Dont quote me on this but i either heard somewhere or read somewhere that when you say no to being searched gives probable cause.
I hope to heck that isnt true
 

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Re: SR police getting sued
« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2007, 04:00:29 AM »
Findlaw has a lot to say on probable cause, but that's not something that's mentioned. Neither is the money situation. But in reading what's posted there, I would say that either of those things in and of themselves wouldn't constitute it. If it happened to me, I'd be willing to put it to the test.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment04/02.html
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Re: SR police getting sued
« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2007, 10:39:46 AM »
Ms. Kristi Bohrer is getting married and her and her husband will be living out of state were he will next be stationed. Kristi is one of the most honest and thoughtful persons I have had the pleasure of dealing with as well as the St. Robert Police Department.

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« Reply #41 on: September 28, 2007, 12:27:47 PM »
Refusing a search is NOT probable cause nor even reasonable suspicion.  Having said that, ANYTHING they find in the car during such an ILLEGAL search cannot be used against you.  Someone is filling up the BS meter with "more than $100 is probable cause".   If they ask to search my car, the answer is no.  Nothing more needs be said as far as I am concerned.  They can get a search warrant showing probable cause or they can leave it alone.  Remember, when you are pulled over, the police are NOT your friend.  You are not required to speak to them, as anything you say will be used against you.

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Re: SR police getting sued
« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2007, 12:35:35 PM »
SC Said:  Coyote, IMHO you are waaaaaay over the line in your post accusing "sneaking cheating soldiers' of taking your tax dollars....waaaaaaay over the line my friend.  I'd use quote for this IF IT WORKED  >.<
I WORK with them every day and I see it first hand.  They will wink and smile and point to their ear.  I KNOW they do this....and it's true.  If you don't think so, you live in a dream world.  If you don't have a 30% disability you won't get a decent job at FLW.  So that's what happens.  Go up to the VA office and they will try to SQUEEZE 30% out of you...that's the truth.
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Re: SR police getting sued
« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2007, 01:22:04 PM »
True, we are losing a huge assett to our community.
 
Ms. Kristi Bohrer is getting married and her and her husband will be living out of state were he will next be stationed. Kristi is one of the most honest and thoughtful persons I have had the pleasure of dealing with as well as the St. Robert Police Department.

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Re: SR police getting sued
« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2007, 01:48:59 PM »
I wasn't in the parking lot the night this situation took place, and don't want to comment on that angle of this thread.  I did, however, meet the individual that has brought the suit against the SRPD while I was recovering from shoulder surgery.  He had already had several surgeries on his knee and was still in really bad shape.  The knee was so screwed up that I guess the Army finally decided they couldn't help him any longer.  He never brought up the situation like most people would do.  From what I saw, he was working hard to try and rehab his knee and this was well over a year after this situation happened.

If the SRPD uses these kinds of tactics against anyone, I for one say it is excessive.  I've heard similar stories about other officer's in the WPD, but that's another story.

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« Reply #45 on: September 28, 2007, 02:45:19 PM »
"I WORK with them every day and I see it first hand.  They will wink and smile and point to their ear.  I KNOW they do this....and it's true.  If you don't think so, you live in a dream world.  If you don't have a 30% disability you won't get a decent job at FLW.  So that's what happens.  Go up to the VA office and they will try to SQUEEZE 30% out of you...that's the truth."
 
Coyote, I don't want to hijack this thread, but I can't believe you paint ALL veterans with your unqualified and broad brush stroke as criminals out to bilk tax payers out of money. You project an amazingly bitter and narrow minded position, and if you do indeed work with these folks I feel for them, as it sounds like everyone of them is labled a crook by you as soon as you encounter them.  I'm appalled, and VERY disappointed.  I hope you walk around your office openly expressing your opinions as you have stated them here, becuase if you do indeed work with these folks it's time you move on - you are bitter and close minded.  You seriously need to find a new line of work.
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« Reply #46 on: September 28, 2007, 03:17:52 PM »
A new line of work?  You don't even know what I do. And yes I am bitter.  I'm also a retired Veteran and so is my husband.  We are honest taxpayers as well.  I see very young Soldiers almost DAILY who are without limbs, some who will be hospitalized for a year, parents of dying or killed Soldiers and then on the other hand....the others who try (and succeed) in bilking the system....I did not say ALL but there are a lot.  Go ask anyone who works on the Fort and I'll bet they are 30%  One particular person I know (GS-12) was dancing around the office the other day because he FINALLY got his 50%...now he'll get backpay for it and they OWE him $10,000.  He seems ok except for being really fat and smoking a pack a day, rides a motorcycle, and his 50% is all due to "migrains", "TMJ", a rash from about 10 years ago, etc.  And 50% of his retirement pay will be tax free now.  Hoo hoo!!  These people spend their entire retired life shooting for 100%.  And yes I do express my opinion openly because my husband who is a professional at his occupation and couldn't get a job on FLW due to he wasn't 30% and was told to go to the VA and get 30% somehow or he'd never work here.  We are above that and he now has a civilian job that pays more and he's happier there without all the bs.  Thank God.
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« Reply #47 on: September 28, 2007, 03:44:39 PM »
My husband is a GS-11 at FLW and has no disabilities.  So, it is possible to get a job on Post.  It definately isn't easy, though.

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« Reply #48 on: September 28, 2007, 03:51:59 PM »
I'm sorry for my previous rant.  I have calmed down now.  If that guy had several operations over a years time and the doctors can't do anything else and he had to be discharged.  My God he must have been done worse than just sweep kicked.
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« Reply #49 on: September 28, 2007, 05:09:36 PM »
Coyote you wrote -Are you the one who wrote the long story about the "what if" accident on the other side of the Crocker Bridge?  That was funny.  Anyway, If someone was disrespectful to me, why....I'd break their leg too!  Especially if I had 4 other people to help me do it.
 
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From your posts you totally lack empathy and actually I think you just take an opposing view to just about anything that the majority posts. I am sure that you do see a lot of people who "fake" to get 30% dissability out there but I am sure there are many more who are  actually very hurt. I watch my neighbor who has severe spinal problems due to an accident in the military. He works himself to death at 2 jobs supporting his family because his wife also has health problems and they have 4 children.He also has 30%dissability, but guess what, he does not have a job on post, even though he has applied for many positions. Yet, he still has to put up with people with your narrow minded attitude. With your point of view I guess he could have had his x-rays faked as well. It just sounds to me that something in your life has really made you one jaded soul. Maybe we all should pray for you to find compassion.

By the way my little "what if" story-NOT FUNNY. It did not include a closed bridge but was true and happened many years ago. I hope you never have to look into the eyes of a parent and know their child will likely not make it due to other circumstances that you could not control. I hope you never have to hold any childs hands as she slips away regardless of how hard you try to help and keep her alive long enough to make it to the hospital. It was simply something I do want want to have to relive or have anyone in my profession go through. I did not want to see another parent potentially face this situation again.The fact that you found it "funny" really  speaks for the type of person you are.


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« Reply #50 on: September 28, 2007, 05:38:02 PM »
Coyote - I am looking forward to you coming into this thread:
http://columbialodging.net/smf/index.php?topic=4760.0
 
You need to spend some time here convincing me, and other honorable disabled veterans that you don't need to retract your statements and issue and apology.
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« Reply #51 on: September 28, 2007, 05:45:07 PM »
Semper Fi-Love the kitty picture, made me smile.  Thanks

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« Reply #52 on: September 28, 2007, 06:11:57 PM »
kbohon wrote:  Think about it. If the guy had a gun, even a second's delay could have resulted in someone's death if he'd been jumping up to attack. You don't have time in those situations to say, hey, wait a second while we frisk you to see if you could hurt anyone. And it doesn't sound like he was under arrest at that point, so there was no reason to have frisked him. I responded to that entry.  So why are talking about little dying children and why you seem to think I find dying children to be funny?  I don't even know who you are or what you are talking about.  You haven't even been making entries on this thread so butt out.
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« Reply #53 on: September 28, 2007, 06:44:24 PM »
^^ somebody must be outta happy meds.
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« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2007, 07:47:25 PM »
I know the Brown family they have gone through alot over the last few years.  Paul tried to stay in the Army, but after the 8th or 9th surgery they would not let him.  And the medical retirement that is a joke, for an E-5 it wont cover there rent, utilities, and taking care of the kids. 
I am an MP wife and from all that I have heard and seen things could have been handled differently.  Their was no need in hurting someone that bad or at all. 

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« Reply #55 on: September 28, 2007, 08:49:22 PM »
Coyote I copy and pasted what you wrote in response to kbohon. If you were not referring to what I wrote about the Crocker bridge Closing then clarify it. Who you were talking about? If you were to clarify who you were talking and what was wrote and I am wrong then I will gladly apologize.
 I do not know you either. I simply responded to what you wrote, and based on what I have read of your other posts and what I copy and pasted, that is how I feel. When you state your opinion on an open forum don't be mad when someone calls you on something and don't expect that person to butt out.

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« Reply #56 on: September 28, 2007, 09:08:03 PM »
Look, I'm sorry but I can't quote and it gets stuff all mixed up.  I would never laugh at sick babies and that was a messed up thing to say.  You only had two entries in the whole thread and one of them was to blast me for something I didn't even know what you were talking about.  The crocker bridge thing was just a joke about the long drawn out rendition of what could happen.  That was what I found funny.  Forget it, it's too hard to explain. 
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« Reply #57 on: November 17, 2007, 02:47:12 AM »
WTF are you talking about?please clarify
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« Reply #58 on: November 17, 2007, 05:48:52 AM »

Those who know me know Im legal at all times and I wont let them get me again so let the chips fall where they may.

This sounds an awful lot like a threat. 
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« Reply #59 on: November 17, 2007, 08:59:35 AM »
sounds to me like someone is fed up with martial law