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Re: Dog Nappers
« Reply #180 on: February 15, 2009, 01:30:29 AM »

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What i am about to tell you is the Gods honest truth.  Around August, i was reading Rollanet.com.  I was reading the dog ads.  I read an ad from a Chinese Restraunt and the ad stated something similiar to this:  WANTED- dogs/cats that owner no longer wants. Used for food. It gave the business name, a phone number and the number was from the Rolla area.  I called my husband over to look at the ad. I couldn't BELIEVE what i was reading!!! I immediately contacted Rollanet and reported the ad. The next morning, i called USDA.  Now im not saying that this is the reason dogs are coming up missing, but i am saying that reading this thread makes me think back to that day.

How did the USDA respond?

Dog meat is an expensive delicacy in Korea and some other Asian countries. Given the high population of Asian immigrants in some states, I suspect that farm-raised dogs are legal under federal law to butcher and sell in restaurants for food, just like any other animal raised for slaughter.
 
I don't know what rules, if any, Missouri may have on this, but from what I've been able to dig up, apparently California law bans sale of "companion animals" for food, but state health authorities have interpreted that to apply to animals that are actually pets, not cats and dogs raised for slaughter or animals that are no longer people's pets. Of course, that effectively says the law means virtually nothing, since a pet owner can sell his big meaty dog or give it away "free to a loving home" and it's no longer a "companion animal" because the new owner has no intention of treating it as a pet.
 
I'll add a worse item to this. Soldiers previously stationed in Korea probably already know from their KATUSAs that dog meat is regarded as an erotic stimulant -- basically natural viagara. No, I am not kidding.

Before people ask, no, I have not and would not eat dog meat. I understand it tastes very good -- I am told that it has a naturally sweet taste without seasonings and is fairly juicy -- but I can't stand the idea of eating "Fido." Octopus legs and butterfly chrysalises and things like that taste good, too, and if I'm going to eat unusual meat it's not going to be a dog.
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Re: Dog Nappers
« Reply #181 on: February 15, 2009, 02:03:54 AM »
First off, DO NOT OPEN THESE ATTACHMENTS if photos of dogs for human consumption gross you out. One photo is of a dog that has been pressed flat ready for consumption; the other photo is of butchered dog parts.
 
I did a quick check of laws on dog meat consumption, and as far as I can tell there is nothing in either American federal laws or Canadian national laws that prohibits selling dog meat for human consumption, as long as the meat has been properly inspected. There may very well be applicable state or provincial laws that heavily regulate or prohibit dog meat sale for human consumption.
 
Wild game is illegal to sell in restaurants in Canada. However, there is a Canadian case where a restaurant was selling coyotes for meat and the courts ruled that while selling coyotes was not in itself illegal, the meat would have had to be inspected prior to sale.
 
Now let me emphasize that I am absolutely **NOT** advocating sale of dogs for food. I've never eaten "gaegogi" (dog meat) and I don't want to try. And before anyone considers selling dogs for food, you'd better make sure that all federal and state rules have been complied with. I am very sure the Pulaski County Health Department food inspector will be very unhappy if you try to sell dogs without complying with the proper rules, even if it's legal to do so (which I'm not yet sure it is).

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Re: Dog Nappers
« Reply #182 on: February 15, 2009, 03:46:56 AM »
Wow to each their own, I guess, but in this culture where we relate to our pets as family members that's just disgusting and wrong on so many levels.

I hope the dog nappers have left the county.

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Re: Dog Nappers
« Reply #183 on: February 15, 2009, 04:14:49 AM »
JUST SO YA KNOW THE LINKS ARE "OPEN" ALREADY LOL     sorry caps

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Re: Dog Nappers
« Reply #184 on: February 15, 2009, 05:28:47 AM »
Darrell, I'd eat a "Gains Burger" before I'd knowingly consume dawg meat..................

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Re: Dog Nappers
« Reply #185 on: February 15, 2009, 06:50:11 AM »
It's to bad we can't pair up the "dog dumpers" with the "dog stealers" --- Then the people who want to keep their dogs could, and the people don't want their dogs would be taken care of as well.
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Re: Dog Nappers
« Reply #186 on: February 15, 2009, 02:07:14 PM »
When i contacted USDA, they told me that they would immediately look into it but they never told me what they were actually going to do about it.  I did a copy/paste of the ad, kept it in my files and forwarded it to Patty Kemker at USDA.  Rollanet pulled the ad, but if i hadn't of just had surgery, i would have marched my happy ass right down in front of the restraunt, planted my butt on a rock, with a big sign and waved it at passing cars.  I had dog mares for a week after i read that.  I understand that the teriaki chicken that was battered, was actually cat meat.  I should have called these animal activists and sicked them on them.  Oh lordy would they have had a fit!!

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Re: Dog Nappers
« Reply #187 on: February 16, 2009, 09:12:47 PM »
When i contacted USDA, they told me that they would immediately look into it but they never told me what they were actually going to do about it.  I did a copy/paste of the ad, kept it in my files and forwarded it to Patty Kemker at USDA.  Rollanet pulled the ad, but if i hadn't of just had surgery, i would have marched my happy ass right down in front of the restraunt, planted my butt on a rock, with a big sign and waved it at passing cars.  I had dog mares for a week after i read that.  I understand that the teriaki chicken that was battered, was actually cat meat.  I should have called these animal activists and sicked them on them.  Oh lordy would they have had a fit!!

That creates other issues... claiming that a meat is one thing when it's actually something different is illegal, even if you're claiming that the chicken is lamb or the turkey is ham. Of course, most people would immediately know if a familiar meat is something different from what's advertised.

I don't know how Chinese serve cats. The Korean way to serve cat meat is to puree it and serve it something like a protein drink. No, I haven't eaten cat, either, and I like that idea even less than eating dogs -- both disgust me, but I guess I just have even more of a weakness for cute furry purring animals. Cats ought to be collected under the covers to snuggle up with on cold winter nights, not served on a plate. (Can you tell I'm from Michigan, always had multiple cats growing up, and had parents who, like many others raised in the Great Depression, didn't believe in heating the house at night more than absolutely necessary to keep pipes from freezing?)
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Re: Dog Nappers
« Reply #188 on: February 16, 2009, 09:37:13 PM »
Here in the US, most people would find eating cat, dog, rat, a bit of a strange thing.  Personally, I wouldn't eat one of my own pets, but I would have no problem with trying cat, dog, rat, a number of insects (I actually did eat insects in the Army), etc., that someone who normally eats and prepares it, would serve to me.  Heck, in the US we eat pig, cow, chickens, guinea hens, shrimp, deer, lobster, mussels, clams, moldy cheese, fungus, etc. that other cultures would find disgusting!   It's a cultural thing, like monkey meat, monkey brains.  If it smells good (sometimes even if it doesn't), looks edible, I'll give it a shot.  In my family we were raised to try things, never say "yeck" before trying something....as my Pop would say, "try it, you may just like it".  He was right, as I love fried and smoked octopus (the smaller the better!), escargot, have had ostrich, emu, alligator, shark, etc.

Is it possible that the restaurant owners were looking for the meat for personal use?
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Re: Dog Nappers
« Reply #189 on: February 16, 2009, 10:01:19 PM »
Is it possible that the restaurant owners were looking for the meat for personal use?

That's possible, and it's what I suspected from the beginning. Dog meat is a delicacy and would be sold at considerably more expensive prices than the regular menu items, not passed off as some other kind of meat. My personal guess is the restaurant owner was trying to obtain dog meat to prepare for his or her family and close friends.

As long as that was done at home using that family kitchen and wasn't offered for sale or actually sold to the public, it's probably legal to cook and serve dog, just like some people like to cook and serve possum or other wild game.

It would not be unusual for an Asian restaurant owner to have items that are not on the menu and will be prepared only for special guests, either because they take a lot of time to make and can't be produced on restaurant expectations of promptness, or because they require special ingredients, or because they can't be sold profitably at the prices most customers are willing to pay. But if meat that isn't approved for human consumption is being prepared in a common kitchen, even if it's after regular restaurant hours, there is probably still a health department issue.

Again, I am not an expert on food safety rules in Missouri. But this does raise some significant questions.
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Re: Dog Nappers
« Reply #190 on: February 16, 2009, 11:01:24 PM »
In my opinion, Eating dog or cat is sick no matter how you look at it.  I don't think that he wanted the dog/cat for his own personal use.  If he did we wouldn't ask for multiple but just a few. Kari, if my dad put a dog or cat meat in front of me and told me to eat it before i left the table, you would still see me sitting at the table the next morning. And afternoon, and evening. 

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« Reply #191 on: February 17, 2009, 04:58:48 AM »
In my opinion, Eating dog or cat is sick no matter how you look at it.  I don't think that he wanted the dog/cat for his own personal use.  If he did we wouldn't ask for multiple but just a few. Kari, if my dad put a dog or cat meat in front of me and told me to eat it before i left the table, you would still see me sitting at the table the next morning. And afternoon, and evening. 
I can understand your aversion.  I was just raised to try things, so it doesn't bother me.  People eat all kinds of things, and I really enjoy trying foods from around the world.  lmao, I could eat my way through every country without much of a problem, though some raw meats don't thrill me (I do have an aversion to blood)!
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Re: Dog Nappers
« Reply #192 on: February 17, 2009, 06:03:04 AM »
what's wrong with eating dog or cat?  i've tasted the local cuisine here in the middle east several times, and i'm quite certain i've eaten one or both at some point. i could understand not wanting to eat your personal pet's, but meat is meat. taboo's over it are quite silly. if you are starving and don't wish to die, you will eat what is available..
hell, there's some cultures that make a ritual of eating people once they have passed. the person who dies has to sign off on it first though.. i'd like to sit in on that once, see if we really taste like pork or chicken.. might even let em have my body when i die in exchange for a taste, just to be fair..   once you get over the fact that the meat in front of you used to be human or dog or whatever, i'm sure it would go down just like the animals you consider eating "normal"....
 
but why are we talking about people eating dogs and who thinks it's gross or not? i thought this was a thread about people stealing dogs. i could care less WHY someone is out there stealing peoples pets. I just want to know WHO is doing it, and what I should be looking out for to keep mine safe....  I'm in Iraq, so I have to relay this information to the people caring for my dogs... so i need it to be as accurate as possible.. not guesses.
 has any of this been reported to the sheriff's department or the local news? I would like to forward any reports there may be on this topic.. stealing my car or breaking into my house is one thing. stealing a family member is another entirely. to me, it's kidnapping, not petnapping.  I would hate to have to come home and hunt some bastard down for stealing my children so they can make a quick buck... but it will happen if it has to, and that day will be one of the worst days of that poor fool's life..

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Re: Dog Nappers
« Reply #193 on: February 17, 2009, 12:19:35 PM »
These fine people that are missing their beloved pets, im sure, are not enjoying reading about people eating dog meat. Im sure the very thought of their pets being stolen for that reason is upsetting to them. I guess its because i have never been exposed to it or if the whole idea of eating a dog or cat grosses me out. I just wouldn't knowingly eat it no matter how hungry i was.  I was raised on a farm where beef, chicken and pork were what i considered meat.  Outside of that, i wouldn't touch it.  I sure hope these people find thier missing pets.  I would be soooo upset if one of mine turned up missing.  Think i'd have to hunt them down and handle it in the ole fashion redneck way. 

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Re: Dog Nappers
« Reply #194 on: February 17, 2009, 04:19:48 PM »
Getting back to what may be happenong to these dogs....... Several years ago I was down on the Gasconade River exploring some caves and came upon several BIG cat tracks. I am assuming they were cougar tracks. I also know that there have been cougars spotted at various time in Pulaski county. It could be that these dogs are being killed by these cougars. This is the time of year that they move from one area to the next. May not be happening but it might be. I know that something is going on.

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« Reply #195 on: February 17, 2009, 05:37:47 PM »
what's wrong with eating dog or cat?  i've tasted the local cuisine here in the middle east several times, and i'm quite certain i've eaten one or both at some point.

I'm pretty sure you have not eaten dogs in the Middle East. I am no expert on Muslim dietary laws, but as far as I know dog meat is no more "hallal" than pork to a Muslim.
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« Reply #196 on: February 17, 2009, 05:44:07 PM »
like i said, "possibly"..   i have been on numerous foot patrols through the iraqi markets when i was in the infantry.. i saw more then a few dogs and cats being bled out in much the same manner i witnessed them doing goats and sheep before they butchered them..  so i have my doubts that all those kebab's were "kosher"...

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« Reply #197 on: February 17, 2009, 07:15:59 PM »
Great Americans Lewis and Clark ate dog meat during their 1803-1805 expedition to the Pacific Norhtwest. The expedition's records tell of young "Native American" Sacajawea's butchering and cooking fat puppies for the hungry soldiers on their trek into history.
 
FWIW: I haven't eaten dog or cat, but I have eaten bear, snake, and monkey (in Vietnam) and am still alive to tell about it. Yeah, it's a cultural thang!
 
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« Reply #198 on: February 18, 2009, 01:15:41 AM »
Getting back to what may be happenong to these dogs....... Several years ago I was down on the Gasconade River exploring some caves and came upon several BIG cat tracks. I am assuming they were cougar tracks. I also know that there have been cougars spotted at various time in Pulaski county. It could be that these dogs are being killed by these cougars. This is the time of year that they move from one area to the next. May not be happening but it might be. I know that something is going on.
Last summer I was walking down to the river on T- Highway (to the  Gasconade bridge)  a man stopped and told me to turn around and not to go down there . He said he had just seen a mountain lion cross the road on the other side of the bridge(Swedeborg side) I came on back up the hill and told my bf about it . The man was very excited and I believed what he said. I checked out the Missouri Conservationist site that night and there  have been other Mountain Lion sightings in Pulaski County.

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« Reply #199 on: February 18, 2009, 11:07:35 AM »
BTW, Darrell, what happened to Clark Kent?

It wasn;'t my idea to put the picture there. I got a number of comments that the icon was arrogant, unprofessional, etc., and always meant to remove it but never got around to figuring out how to do that. Then, on top of that when the Daily Guide has a reporter with the last name of "Kent," I decided I'd better get rid of it ASAP.
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« Reply #200 on: February 18, 2009, 01:47:05 PM »
It wasn;'t my idea to put the picture there. I got a number of comments that the icon was arrogant, unprofessional, etc., and always meant to remove it but never got around to figuring out how to do that. Then, on top of that when the Daily Guide has a reporter with the last name of "Kent," I decided I'd better get rid of it ASAP.
Makes sense. For a minute there I thought you were going to tell me "The dog ate it!"
I'll keep my eye out for a suitable replacement and send it via email.
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