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Re: A Dying God Coming Into Human Flesh
« Reply #60 on: November 05, 2007, 05:30:44 PM »

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Re: A Dying God Coming Into Human Flesh
« Reply #61 on: November 05, 2007, 05:35:06 PM »
But it was ok with you if it had said "no where." (?)  Still propoganda.
I don't wonder why someone believes and I don't. I feel no guilt for not believeing.

One of my kids got a small business card type piece of paper during trick or treating and it said "IQ Test" and below that it had: GODISNOWHERE. I read that as GOD IS NO WHERE. It was supposed to have read GOD IS NOW HERE. Kind of torks me that someone gave my child religious propaganda (yes that is how I take it). My children's religious preferences are their own.
 
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Re: A Dying God Coming Into Human Flesh
« Reply #62 on: November 05, 2007, 05:54:20 PM »
But it was ok with you if it had said "no where." (?)  Still propoganda.
Yes it would have still bothered me if it had intended to say NO WHERE because I want my kids to make their own religious journeys. I dont want to be what they would later consider a bad influence because of my beliefs. To me, beliefs are individual not collective. So even if NO WHERE would have been the intent, it would still be propaganda to me.

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« Reply #63 on: November 05, 2007, 05:57:55 PM »
One interesting underlying thread nobody has touched on, and may make sense to you just_me.  All believers are given the charge of spreading the word.  The more grass roots fundamental groups take that fairly serious.  There is no middle ground, I have to hold it and tell everyone all about it.  The more traditional groups such as Catholics, Lutherans, etc....aren't as concerned with the dogmatic approach as they are in the practical application.

And there is another caveat - the fundamental side take a more literal stand on the second coming fo Christ.  Essentially, the bible says he won't return until every ear on the planet has heard the gospel.  Which proves problematic for those intent on seeing it, and of course their rewards and place in heaven.  Hence the dogma.

Food for thought - the theory of evolution doesn't say we started as x and will end as y.  It is merely an observation of what one man considered being possible.

Mankind had gods long before Moses existed.  I have mentioned before I am not a fan of carbon dating.  I do feel we have a handle on other parts of science rather well.  Archaeology being one of them.  Core samples, tracking historical writings, weather patterns, etc, etc.  We have put a lot more together on these things in the past 100 years than could have been imagined.

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Re: A Dying God Coming Into Human Flesh
« Reply #64 on: November 05, 2007, 06:03:15 PM »
It really irks me when people say that their kids should be allowed to make their own decisions regarding religion.  At what age would this be, pray tell?  That's what my son-in-law said when my grandson was a few months old and I wanted to take him to Mass with me.  So he gets NO religious or non religious training in his whole young life and at some point will be making this so-called informed decision without having ever had information.  What a crock.
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Re: A Dying God Coming Into Human Flesh
« Reply #65 on: November 05, 2007, 06:04:34 PM »
I see where you are coming from retired1_us

There is more than one possibility of how we became and what happened. No of us are ever going to know those answers and people will never fully agree on how it all happened.

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Re: A Dying God Coming Into Human Flesh
« Reply #66 on: November 05, 2007, 06:14:35 PM »
It really irks me when people say that their kids should be allowed to make their own decisions regarding religion.  At what age would this be, pray tell?  That's what my son-in-law said when my grandson was a few months old and I wanted to take him to Mass with me.  So he gets NO religious or non religious training in his whole young life and at some point will be making this so-called informed decision without having ever had information.  What a crock.
What was your grandson going to get out of mass at a few months of age?? Taking your grandson to mass would make you feel better. Is your grandson going to turn out "bad" because he didn't go to mass with you? We have bibles in our house. My kids ask me and my husband questions. We (yes myself included) give them honest answers about religion. I do not tell them go ask someone else because I just dont believe. It is my job to teach and inform my children and I do the best that I can with info from the bible and other sources. This gives them the opportunity to make an informed decision and not follow something blindly. They have gone to church, bible study and gone to activities at church with friends. My kids are old enough to weigh their own options and make their own choices about religion.

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Re: A Dying God Coming Into Human Flesh
« Reply #67 on: November 05, 2007, 06:23:22 PM »
It really irks me when people say that their kids should be allowed to make their own decisions regarding religion.  At what age would this be, pray tell?  That's what my son-in-law said when my grandson was a few months old and I wanted to take him to Mass with me.  So he gets NO religious or non religious training in his whole young life and at some point will be making this so-called informed decision without having ever had information.  What a crock.

I agree with you on that for sure.  Children should be given every opportunity to learn, explore and most importantly be taught to make informed decisions on their own.  Sorry to hear of that situation.  Not saying much for the land of the free.  And the child will struggle with that more than necessary somewhere down the road.

My personal beliefs are all over this board.  All of our children were introduced to either believing or not -i.e. Sunday school, church, etc.  They are all grown now and have varying degrees of belief an non belief.  That is what makes this country great.  I hate to use this example (because it is so "today") but look at Islam for what it is - not just the fringe elements on either side.  It too is an absolute religion.  And it too is based on a book.

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Re: A Dying God Coming Into Human Flesh
« Reply #68 on: November 05, 2007, 07:08:39 PM »
And what would it have hurt to take him?  Would he get the calling to become a priest?  I doubt it.  He would have only heard song and joyful music and givers of peace.  That's all.

What was your grandson going to get out of mass at a few months of age?? Taking your grandson to mass would make you feel better. Is your grandson going to turn out "bad" because he didn't go to mass with you?
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Re: A Dying God Coming Into Human Flesh
« Reply #69 on: November 05, 2007, 07:09:45 PM »
And what would it have hurt to take him?  Would he get the calling to become a priest?  I doubt it.  He would have only heard song and joyful music and givers of peace.  That's all.

Right on!! That is a side I didn not see   :{:{:

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Re: A Dying God Coming Into Human Flesh
« Reply #70 on: November 05, 2007, 07:23:43 PM »
Digital Nacosis I KNOW YOU!! And deep in your heart you "R" a believer... so what's up with all this???

Some things simply are mysteries. No amount of investigation or scholarship can provide verification for what is most life-giving to humans. Things like faith, hope and love cannot be proven by scientific or intellectual inquiry. They are true because we know them to be true in our heart even though there is no outward confirmation of their truth. When, however we are in a place of uneasiness or fear, the very things we intuitively know to be true seem suddenly ephemeral.

We begin to wonder if we have been wrong, if we have misjudged our intuition, if God really is nothing more than a hopeful image weíve created for ourselves in our minds. But then, in the flash of an instant we feel a warmth in our soul, or view a sunrise that halts our breath, or experience love full and free and we know the Holy One has glanced our way. No external proof tells usówe know it in the deep of our being.


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Re: A Dying God Coming Into Human Flesh
« Reply #71 on: November 06, 2007, 12:46:22 AM »
Again, it goes back to faith. If you choose to believe that God made that beautiful sunrise then you have faith that there is a God. If you believe that same sunrise is the work of nature and nothing more than circumstances being right here and there, then you have faith in science. Retired made a good point, God's existed in human minds before churches were established and people tried to put a name to the things they saw everyday. God's personified things which defied explaination.
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