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Bill Donohue, president of The catholic League, has condemned "The Golden Compass" as a pernicious effort to indoctrinate children into anti-Christian beliefs and has produced a 23-page pamphlet titled The Golden Compass: Unmasked in which he maintains that Pullman "sells atheism for kids". Donohoe told interviewer John Gibson on Oct 9, 2007 why he believed Christians should stay away from the film....
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Watch this video by Bill Donohue, President of the Catholic League.

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----------------- Bulletin Message -----------------
From: [font='times new roman']Catholic Keepers, Defenders of the Faith
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Date: Oct 26, 2007 10:40 AM


http://snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp

You may already know about the kids movie coming out in December
starring Nicole Kidman. It's called The Golden Compass, and while it
will be a watered down version, it is based on a series of children's
books about killing God. (It is the anti-Narnia.) Please follow this
link and then pass it on. From what I understand, the hope is to get a
lot of kids to see the movie - which won't seem too bad - and then get
the parents to buy the books for their kids for Christmas. The quotes
from the author sum it all up. I hope it totally bombs because we were
all paying attention!
God sets His truth in picture frames of life.



Subject: Caution with this Movie...

There will be a new children's movie out in December called "The Golden
Compass". The movie has been described as "atheism for
kids" and is based on the first book of a trilogy entitled "His Dark
Materials" that was written by Phillip Pullman. Pullman is a militant
atheist and secular humanist who despises C. S. Lewis and the
"Chronicles
of Narnia". His motivation for writing this trilogy was specifically
to counteract Lewis' symbolisms of Christ that are portrayed in the
Narnia
series.


Clearly, Pullman's main objective is to bash Christianity and promote
atheism. Pullman left little doubt
about his intentions when he said in a 2003 interview that "my books
are about killing God."
He has even stated that he wants to "kill God in the minds of
children". It has been said of Pullman that he is "the writer the
atheists would be praying for, if atheists prayed."

< BR>While "The Golden Compass" movie itself may seem mild and
innocent, the books are a much different story. In the trilogy, a young
streetwise girl becomes enmeshed in an epic struggle to ultimately
defeat the
oppressive forces of a senile God. Another character, an ex-nun,
describes Christianity as "a very powerful and convincing mistake."
In the final book, characters representing Adam and Eve eventually kill
God, who at times is called YAHWEH. Each book in the trilogy gets
progressively worse regarding Pullman's
hatred of Jesus Christ.



"The Golden Compass" is set to premier on December 7, during the
Christmas season, and will probably be heavily advertised. Promoters
hope
that unsuspecting parents will take their children to see the movie,
that they
will enjoy the movie, and that the children will want the books for
Christmas.



Please consider a boycott of the movie and the books. Also, pass this
information along to everyone you know. This will help to educate
parents, so that they will know the agenda of the movie.

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Re: CAUTION PARENTS!!! PLEASE READ!
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2007, 04:24:15 PM »
We all make better decisions if we learn different viewpoints and THEN make our decisions, rather than merely accepting only what is put before us. I would want my children to see this movie for exactly that reason.
Heck is where people go when they don't believe in Gosh.

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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2007, 11:50:40 PM »
ITA kbohon My children's religious preferences are their own and before they make a choice, I would want them to be informed as much as possible. I am a non-believer but I do not encourage my children to fblindly ollow my choices. They ask questions and I answer them. If I do not know the answer to a religious question, I research it and give them the best answer I can. Sometimes they ask a lot of questions LOL

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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2007, 12:48:58 AM »
Thank you just_me. That's the way my daughters were raised, too. Two of them go to services regularly (one baptist, one non-denominational) and one has chosen not to, but believes in a higher power.
Heck is where people go when they don't believe in Gosh.

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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2007, 12:53:24 AM »
kbohon......I think that is just great!!!    :{:{:

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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2007, 01:15:14 AM »
C.S. Lewis was quoted as saying he was dragged kicking and screaming into the kingdom of God.  However, his works, including the Chronicles of Narnia, and allegory on the sacrifice of Christ.  The Lion representing the Lion of Judah as he was called.

Mere Christianity.  Wonderful treatise on why be a Christian.
The Screwtape letters  Supposed letters between a senior and lessor demon on how to mess up Christians lives.

I have enjoyed his writings and if you look for the illustrations there are great truths to be seen.

As for being an atheist, I guess that's up to the person, however, I think I agree with the Psalmist who said "The fool has said in his heart there is no God."  Look around.  Chances are rare that what we have "just" happened.

Enjoy Narnia.

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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2007, 02:50:07 AM »
It is illogical to think evrything around us "just happened". Parents also need to set a moral standard. Christianity may not be a must to set that tone, but it is a bassis.

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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2007, 04:35:39 AM »
It is illogical to think evrything around us "just happened".

Fish, illogical to many but, by far, not everyone! That kind of statement is insulting to those that don't believe like you do.......  %%$%$$#
 
I am sure the movie would be interesting, whether for entertainment value, shock or people feeling insulted.

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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2007, 08:55:03 AM »
here's a thought, if this guy is an atheist then how can he write a book about killing god, since he doesn't believe there is one?  i will allow my children to watch this, but then they are old enough to decide for themselves what to believe, too.  i think when people start smear campaigns like this, it just makes them that much more money, especially with so many kids being interested in the occult in this generation.  i haven't read the books, but i will reserve judgement until i do.

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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2007, 02:20:02 PM »
How is logic insulting? Peon is right about the reason for the movie,money. something has to take the place of harry potter.

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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2007, 03:43:55 PM »
How is logic insulting? Peon is right about the reason for the movie,money. something has to take the place of harry potter.

Logic is not an absolute law that governs the universe. You have established your position on religion and how you believe, therfore it is logical for you to come to the conclusion that "It is illogical to think evrything around us "just happened". Logic is a system of reasoning based on inference and knowlegde. I don't believe the way you do, so it is illogical for me to come to the same conclusion you do. You imply an absolute as to what you believe is illogical and that is why it is insulting. Because it boils down to personal beliefs (concerning religion), logic was the wrong word for you to have used. I applaud your convictions  :)
 
You are a good debate opponent......we are both so bull headed LOL

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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2007, 05:49:44 PM »
you do not believe the earth was created by God because you choose not to. there is no logic to conclude the earth just happened. But logic can be used to prove God created the earth. It makes sense there is a Creator.
It seems the movie's only purpose is to refute that there is a living God, who's existence is accepted by the person making the movie.

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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2007, 06:40:30 AM »
deja vu, the good catholic i am ...ha kinda. but i beleive the church said the same thing about da vinci code...guess what it was a pretty good movie...take it as you want it is all on how people interpret it. enjoy
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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2007, 11:22:39 AM »
Your right.  Most movies ARE about MONEY.

What where the numbers for Passion of the Christ again?

How is logic insulting? Peon is right about the reason for the movie,money. something has to take the place of harry potter.

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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2007, 04:05:03 PM »
what's your point dn? Who has ever made a major motion picture for free? At least the passion was based on fact.

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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2007, 11:24:21 PM »
What's YOUR point?  You mentioned films being about MONEY.  Why was Passion of the Christ any different?  Why?

what's your point dn? Who has ever made a major motion picture for free? At least the passion was based on fact.

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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2007, 03:08:02 AM »
A good movie entertains. A great promotes thought. A bad one simply uses shock value to manipulate emotion. Passion was the third category in my opinion, although others disagree. Da Vinci code generated a great deal of discussion about religion and non-religion, secret societies, and so on. It was a great story (the movie not quite as much, but same idea.) Most of the others seem to be entertaining, but too abstract or diluted to generate real and valuable discussion - Harry Potter included.
Heck is where people go when they don't believe in Gosh.

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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2007, 03:32:40 AM »
you're going in circles again dn

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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2007, 03:56:17 AM »
I was caught up in the lovely statement "how could an atheist write a story about killing god" and thought that was a pretty clever point of view. 
Then it occured to me it isn't actually God the writer wants to kill, but the IDEA of God, in the minds of the children.
Um, I wonder if they celebrate Christmas and Easter.   
Maybe they celebrate Candlemas and whatever it is pagans celebrate around  the Spring Equinox. 
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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2007, 05:51:57 AM »
yes the book was better than the movie...gotta love dan brown ! Harry Potter has been over done, and im kinda tired of hearing about all the "evil" things that book has done ..whatever ! Honestly most children know that it is all make beleive..isn't that what we are told about scary movies as a children ? there really is no such thing as vampires, so shouldn't there be no such thing as harry potter ? and people killing god ?
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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2007, 06:16:39 AM »
I told myself that there was no such thing as demon possession either, in order to get through the movie the Excorsist.  Even though I went to see it with a 3rd degree High Priestess.
Believe me, you do not EVEN want to de-sensitize your children with the entertainment of spells, the occult, and that sort of thing unless that is totally your bag, because it is NOT make believe.  Not Satan, not demons, not demon possession, not witchcraft, those things are not make believe, they are real.
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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2007, 04:46:54 PM »
No one can deny that there is evil in the world. How are we to discern whether this is simply the result of human nature, as opposed to evidence of some outside force at work?

It is interesting to look at the way Satan worked in the Bible and compare that with the issues we face in day-to-day living.

When Satan tempted Jesus, he appealed to three things: the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life. First he challenged Jesus, after a 40-day fast, to use his powers to make food and satisfy His fleshly needs. Then he challenged Jesus to look at the world from a high place and offered Him dominion over all He saw. Finally, he tempted Jesus to throw Himself down from a tower, saying that surely, as God's son, He would be saved - an appeal to pride.

Whatever temptations we face, they seem to fall into these categories as well. Pornography, adultery, gluttony all appeal to lusts of the flesh. Materialism and the quest for power appeal to the lust of the eyes. And even as we strive to reach spiritual heights, we are threatened with the sinful pride of believing WE are more important than God.

Perhaps the devil doesn't appear to us in person. Perhaps he doesn't caper about with a pitchfork, with horns and a forked tail. But we may know he is there by the way he acts, just as we may know a skunk is near through its unmistakable stench. 


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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2007, 05:17:52 PM »
you do not believe the earth was created by God because you choose not to.
That's it in a nutshell!!! It's been stated before LOL but please dont downplay my beliefs because you dont agree. You will never accept anything other than god because that is your belief. I believe differently than you do. My convictions are NOT less than yours simply because I believe differently.

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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2007, 06:12:56 PM »
I told myself that there was no such thing as demon possession either, in order to get through the movie the Excorsist.  Even though I went to see it with a 3rd degree High Priestess.
Believe me, you do not EVEN want to de-sensitize your children with the entertainment of spells, the occult, and that sort of thing unless that is totally your bag, because it is NOT make believe.  Not Satan, not demons, not demon possession, not witchcraft, those things are not make believe, they are real.
Been too close to it, a looooooonnnnnng time ago.
i don't have children and i don't really want any children. But i still beleive the majority of all things are in your head and with the power to convince people in the movie industry...they too can make you beleive..my brother is wiccan..i roll my eyes at him everytime..why ? because you really can't put a spell on someone and all that hocus pocus ! just an opinon.
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« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2007, 07:04:13 PM »
I agree "just_me"!! And I respect your opinion. Religion is a difficult topic. The word “religion,” meaning to bind fast, comes from the Western Latin word religare. In 1993 the Human Rights Committee, an independent body of 18 experts selected through a UN process, described religion or belief as “theistic, non-theistic and atheistic beliefs, as well as the right not to profess any religion or belief.”

Religions and other beliefs bring hope and consolation to billions of people, and hold great potential for peace and reconciliation. They have also, however, been the source of tension and conflict. This complexity, and the difficulty of defining “religion” and “belief,” are illustrated by the still developing history of the protection of freedom of religion or belief in the context of international human rights.

I'm just worried about the younger children. Exhibiting a negative attitude can easily rub off on kids. Maybe that's why they are shooting eachother in school. Are they without hope?? They look to us for examples of how to respond to challenging situations. I just wanted to share the post about the movie for those who may not want their children to watch it. Sad thing is that regular TV is just as bad. I have 6 children and it's hard. Anymore I have to point out the "good" things just so they don't miss them. They see and hear enought bad everyday. It's depressing just watching the morning news anymore. My children ask me questions that I don't think they are ready for but the world doesn't wait. "Mommy what does sodimize mean?" askes my 5 year old. I'm just trying to stay positive... at least for them...ya know....

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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2007, 05:10:54 PM »
Digital Narosis...... The passion wasn't about making money??? It was about sharing the "good news". In the end it gives you hope. Did you see the passion?? Watch it if you can. Then come back and tell me what you thought.

You are NOT the dark angel you appear to be. What are YOU searching for?? Why this battle inside??

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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2007, 05:40:56 PM »
Back on the subject a bit - I thought it interesting to see a movie companion (or something similar) for this at home the other night.  It came through Scholastic book club.  Not sure which one of the boys brought it home.  One is in 1st and the other is in 5th.  Don't be surprised to see it coming home with one of yours.....

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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2007, 03:57:18 AM »
And no uproar about the separation of church and state from school officials?

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« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2007, 12:29:44 PM »
And no uproar about the separation of church and state from school officials?

Good point, and no.  But there was no uproar over the Chronicles of Narnia - also available through Scholastic.