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The Age of the Earth
« on: November 11, 2007, 11:01:42 PM »

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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2007, 03:50:52 AM »
Depends on your beliefs.
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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2007, 03:52:13 AM »
Why does it matter?

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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2007, 01:09:09 PM »
According to the show I watched last night, at least a couple.....hundred billion.

Fascinating show, but too pro-green for my taste.

Pangea was real.  We can prove that without carbon dating.  It took a long time to get from there to here.

Don't take this too personal fish, but if we all took the "why does it matter" attitude, the modern western world would be no further advanced than the other 80% of the planet's populace.

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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2007, 05:11:01 PM »
No offense taken. I just like to concentrate on issues that matter. the age of the earth doesn't matter to me. It will always be an unproven theory that settles nothing. Now , is the world flat? That was a valid question years ago, adventure is one thing,spinning wheels on something without substance is another.

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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2007, 08:40:48 PM »
Fish.....if it doesn't matter to you then state it that way. Finding out a more accurate age of the earth may help determine the age of other things, such as bone remains, pottery shards and things like that. If it doesn't matter to you, then thats fine....dont post. It may matter to other people and it may be an issue that does matter to them...... $$$##@

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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2007, 12:08:03 AM »
Fish.....if it doesn't matter to you then state it that way. Finding out a more accurate age of the earth may help determine the age of other things, such as bone remains, pottery shards and things like that. If it doesn't matter to you, then thats fine....dont post. It may matter to other people and it may be an issue that does matter to them...... $$$##@

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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2007, 01:01:35 AM »
Free thought and free speech.  May they never end.  ;)

retired1_us....... you are absolutely right, but if the subject at hand doesn't matter to you then why bother with mentioning anything...??? To say it doesn't matter, then why not follow it up with why it doesn't matter. That would be contributing to the thread. Should we all just randomly post on any thread we feel like and say it doesn't matter and throw it under the guise of freedom of speech ???

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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2007, 03:11:44 AM »
I'm just provoking thought...

It was brought up in another thread that the Earth is something like 40,000 years old (I don't remember the exact number.)

I just cannot bring myself to believe such a low number as that given everything else that Science HAS proven dealing with how things work in nature.  Let just forget Carbon Dating because someone will just say "Well, thats not accurate"

Let's just think for a minute how long it takes for anything to petrify.

Lets think about Dinosaur bones also.  I know... this has been used before and "it proves nothing" right?  So... WHY are they there?  Did someone plant them to grow some Dinosaurs but just forgot to water them or something?  LOL.

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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2007, 06:51:14 AM »
haha ! if thats the case i need some dino bones.. i won't forget the water ;)...back on subject..
old..older than dirt..what ? wait haha lol lets just say 40 billion years..cause weren't the dino's here 40 million years ago ?
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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2007, 08:32:10 AM »
No... yes... MAYBE.  I don't know.  I guess this all depends on your perception of reality.

Just as with anything else in our existence.

haha ! if thats the case i need some dino bones.. i won't forget the water ;)...back on subject..
old..older than dirt..what ? wait haha lol lets just say 40 billion years..cause weren't the dino's here 40 million years ago ?

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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2007, 09:34:00 AM »
This question could get you killed a few centuries ago. The battle between science and faith marches on, but with fewer casualties.

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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2007, 11:52:01 AM »
All the leading scientists say the earth is 4.5 billion years old!
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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2007, 03:35:47 PM »
The simplest form of isotopic age computation involves substituting three measurements into an equation of four variables, and solving for the fourth. The equation is the one which describes radioactive decay:

P now = P orig . 2 [ - age/halflife]


Pnow - The quantity of the parent isotope that remains now. This is measured directly.
Porig - The quantity of the parent isotope that was originally present. This is computed from the current quantity of parent isotope plus the accumulated quantity of daughter isotope.
halflife - The half-life of the parent isotope. Standard values are used, based on direct measurements. (Constancy of decay rate is covered in the Age of the Earth FAQ.)
age - The value computed from the equation and the other three quantities, is the amount of time which has passed..... lol



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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2007, 06:58:20 PM »
Huh ?
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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2007, 06:59:10 PM »
Should we all just randomly post on any thread we feel like and say it doesn't matter and throw it under the guise of freedom of speech ???

No.  I wouldn't suggest that.  Some folks like to interface with others and share ideas.  You apparently are one of those.  Others just prefer theirs is the only one heard.  The uniqueness of this venue is their words stand before many - somewhat immortal even.  "This is who I am"....take it or leave it.

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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2007, 07:09:12 PM »
Huh ?

LOL, you beat me to the punch on that one.  I'm curious about the daughter isotope thing....no mention of the guys.  Wassup wi that?

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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2007, 07:54:40 PM »
The simplest form of isotopic age computation involves substituting three measurements into an equation of four variables, and solving for the fourth. The equation is the one which describes radioactive decay:

P now = P orig . 2 [ - age/halflife]


Pnow - The quantity of the parent isotope that remains now. This is measured directly.
Porig - The quantity of the parent isotope that was originally present. This is computed from the current quantity of parent isotope plus the accumulated quantity of daughter isotope.
halflife - The half-life of the parent isotope. Standard values are used, based on direct measurements. (Constancy of decay rate is covered in the Age of the Earth FAQ.)
age - The value computed from the equation and the other three quantities, is the amount of time which has passed..... lol




LOL, you beat me to the punch on that one.  I'm curious about the daughter isotope thing....no mention of the guys.  Wassup wi that?

Only because guys can't birth anything. Yet.
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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2007, 08:19:27 PM »
Only because guys can't birth anything. Yet.

Hahaha I like that "Yet"  Well, you can count this guy out of the experimental lineup ROFL

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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2007, 03:26:35 AM »
same right to free speech as you justme? Don't like my answer? don't read it. If scientists can't figure out the half life of pvc,why waste time with aging the earth? What is important about the age of bones? How long they have been dead? Aging of certain things can also be determined through history. How old is the 1st history book?

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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2007, 06:07:11 AM »
How old ARE dinosaur bones fish?

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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2007, 10:32:40 AM »
same right to free speech as you justme? Don't like my answer? don't read it. If scientists can't figure out the half life of pvc,why waste time with aging the earth? What is important about the age of bones? How long they have been dead? Aging of certain things can also be determined through history. How old is the 1st history book?

The age of the earth is important to being able to accurately predict future events. If we can say with reasonable certainty "The earth is 4.6 billion years old," then use that number as our starting point when we study geological records, weather cycles, dinosaur bones, meteor strikes, and so on, then we can better predict and prepare for major distasters.

Right now, there are several issues that come to mind:

1. Global warming - Is it because of humans or is it because of normal shifts in the earth's atmosphere as some believe?

2. El Nino/La Nina - Records show that storms are worsening significantly, costing more lives and more dollars than at any time over the last 30 years. We don't have weather records per se for ancient times, but we can evaluate storm data and such from the geological records. This is important for safety and can even affect insurance costs as more data is known.

3. Religion - A majority of people (if not all) are affected by religion, whether it's their direct beliefs or laws imposed by those who inject their religious beliefs into legislation. By knowing the age of the earth and studying the evolution of humans and human technology, it could affect our society as a whole. Some believe it's 4.6 billion years old and that homo sapiens are latecomers who evolved about 40,000 years ago, while others believe it's 6,000 years old and that humans were there from the beginning. Knowing the age of the earth beyond a doubt would affect thousands of people and change our culture to a degree.

Heck is where people go when they don't believe in Gosh.

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« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2007, 01:31:08 PM »
Well said K.  Without a basis we cannot prepare or try to predict.

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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2007, 01:55:50 PM »
If we knew all the answers there would be no need for faith. God won't allow this he wants all of us to have faith.So even though science and the bible sometimes don't agree we must have faith.Or burn in hell!
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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2007, 06:28:17 PM »
same right to free speech as you justme? Don't like my answer? don't read it. If scientists can't figure out the half life of pvc,why waste time with aging the earth? What is important about the age of bones? How long they have been dead? Aging of certain things can also be determined through history. How old is the 1st history book?
Like I said before, add to the thread, dont just say why does it matter......contribute!!!

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« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2007, 06:34:21 PM »
If we knew all the answers there would be no need for faith. God won't allow this he wants all of us to have faith.So even though science and the bible sometimes don't agree we must have faith.Or burn in hell!
Thats fine for those that have faith.......faith (no matter what each individual chooses) is just that something to believe in, to give comfort. I seriously don't buy in to "god won't allow....."

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« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2007, 09:30:36 PM »
It's HOT down there dude!
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Re: The Age of the Earth
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2007, 04:20:17 AM »
then why isn't the farmers almanac more accurate?
The earth is a living entity. it goes through cycles that are not fixed in duration. Global warming started when the ice age stopped. what caused that? Cavemen driving their cars around??
Why are the predictions for this hurricane season off? Aging the earth hasn't helped the accuracy of weather predictions.
If storms are worsening why is the southeast running out of water? An awful lot of unfounded maybe's out there. The age of the earth is irrelevant to the present. more gas for the fire.
 

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« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2007, 12:06:40 PM »
Cavemen existed 40,000 years ago?

then why isn't the farmers almanac more accurate?
The earth is a living entity. it goes through cycles that are not fixed in duration. Global warming started when the ice age stopped. what caused that? Cavemen driving their cars around??
Why are the predictions for this hurricane season off? Aging the earth hasn't helped the accuracy of weather predictions.
If storms are worsening why is the southeast running out of water? An awful lot of unfounded maybe's out there. The age of the earth is irrelevant to the present. more gas for the fire.
 

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« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2007, 12:46:52 PM »
The age of the earth is very relevant. As to adding "more gas for the fire" maybe a little more light will help to illuminate the truth. But then that may not be acceptale to those who wish us to remain in the dark.