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Witmore Farms Annexation
« on: December 25, 2007, 12:10:51 AM »

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In reading the not so Daily Guide, I see that two people are asking for the area plus 60 acres be annexed into the city limits.  So I will ask some questions.  WHY? is the first.  Next, do the citizens of Buckhorn have anything to say about this at all?  Next, just what advantages would there be to incorporating this area into city limits?  I mean besides elevating the city tax base without having to provide any services?  Like in Hunters Point?  It seems to me Waynesville is extending its clutches for more money from the citizens of the "rural" sections of the county.  Don't you suppose there might be a reason many of us don't want to live in city limits?  Just food for thought.  I invite any explanations or arguements on the subject.

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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2007, 06:20:40 AM »
All I can say I know several deputies that were happy they annexed it. 

The way I read it is that it is a done deal.  Am I wrong?

Hope they do ok....more sales tax revenue for the county.

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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2007, 12:16:27 PM »
Well, I don't see how they can do this without the consent of the people living beyond the cemetary boundary.  Those people whould have something to say about getting taxed without representation and furthermore without any "services".  I do not live out there but have many friends who do.  this is the first they have heard about it and when were they represented?  DTM you need to invoke the sunshine law and get this underhanded stuff out in the open.  I cannot see how this property is somehow already connected to some other part of the city limits to make this even appear to look legal.  YT, I understand your view on this.  But the money is gonna come to the county, regardless of annexation.  A city that takes taxes and then double taxes (check your local lawsuit on sewer) and provides nothing but excuses when it comes to services is unlawful at best.  How about that Boston Tea Party?  People in the county are being over run with the wants, needs and desires of two people.  The citizens may have a word or two to say about it yet.  Be happy I don't live out there.  I would be happy to lead the party that throws over the tea into the harbor.

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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2007, 02:30:23 PM »
MN I am with you.  I just made the comment about doing good as a 'nice comment' lol. 

The city connected by already having the roadway (17) inside the city. I lived in AZ in the 80's when the cities out there went annexation crazy.  The state finally passed a law to stop some of the shady practices. 

I live in the area within 1/2 mile of Witmor as the crow flies.  I can see the 'retirees' complaining when the wind is blowing from the west and they can hear my Guineas screaming, chickens, turkeys etc. let alone the pugnant aroma of the hogs. lol. 

It's gonna be interesting.

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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2007, 03:53:12 PM »
The sweet smells of farming will sure increase the appetites of those eating there I suppose.  I always did wonder how the city managed to get 17 up that far without consulting all the citizens concerned.  Most did not know of it until after the fact.  I remember seeing some letters to the editor at the time.  A first step toward total invasion, so to speak? This way they can and have moved their sewer lines up the road.

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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2007, 04:13:23 PM »
We had a sign "Either lead, follow or get the Hell out of the way"

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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2007, 04:30:13 PM »
ya all live in the wrong town... move to swedeborg. not near as many problems....

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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2007, 04:33:38 PM »
The people that "own" the property, which borders the City of Waynesville, came to the City and requested annexation.  There was a public hearing, with a public notice, there were no complaints. 
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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2007, 04:49:56 PM »
The people that "own" the property, which borders the City of Waynesville, came to the City and requested annexation.  There was a public hearing, with a public notice, there were no complaints. 
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What went on in the closed session of that meeting?

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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2007, 04:51:16 PM »
Building houses and Condo's.  That's what the guys said when we delivered rock.

Witmore is supposed to be a small restaurant as well.

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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2007, 05:09:04 PM »
That was conducted in an open, ie. Public, hearing
 
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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2007, 05:20:27 PM »
I have information that part of the meeting was in closed session.  Are you saying that none of the Witmor Farms annexation process was done in closed session?  Just trying to clarify things.


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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2007, 07:17:43 PM »
OK, so tell us the rest of the story.  Where was the public notice posted?  Not in the paper I bet.  Probably in the post office since we are all required to read the bulletin board on a daily basis?  What went on in closed session about Witmore?  For that matter, what are the intentions of Waynesville regarding the invasion of Buckhorn?  I am sure you better give plenty of Public Notice AHEAD of time instead of soft pedaling it as the residents of that area just might have a few things to say about the city and its "advantages and services".  You know, like the sewer and fire hydrants etc.  The larger tax base with no responsibilities.  Please, whatever you guys do, stay away from where I am.  I have no desire to become a part of the city limits so I can give up more of my hard earned money for nothing but a hard time from the city.
Having said all that and asked some pointed questions, I think I will take a break for a day or two.  THINKING is really taxing this old mind. %%$%$$#

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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2007, 08:09:20 PM »
The public notice was posted at City Hall, as required, and  it was in the Daily Guide, none of the annexation ws in closed session.  I guess I will have to repeat myself.  The Owners of the property REQUESTED that the property be taken into the City.  There are no plans, at least to the best of my knowledge, for any forced annexations.  As long as I am on the Concil, I will NOT go along with any forced annexations.  City Council meetings are open to the public, and all are invited and encouraged to attend.  I believe our next meeting, the annexation of the old Witmore Farms property is to be finalized.  If you object, please come forward and make your obkections known in public, don't hide behind a made up name on a forum not available to all.
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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2007, 10:03:37 PM »
Maybe they'll pave Red Oak Road... and I'm sure the hole nightmares in front of Whitmore Farms are going to be paved over finally.  They've been there eating my cars since as long as I can remember. 

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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2007, 10:16:28 PM »
Red Oak was not taken into the City, only the property owned by the people who requested annexation.  A lot of the comments on here have been made based on false or misleading information. I guess some people just like to stir the ........
 
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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2007, 10:38:38 PM »
Ed, I did not stir up that one.  I can assure you that if the city comes out up T highway and tries this crap, I will be fighting it tooth and nail.  I notice nothing was said by you about the lack of services, with a broadening of the tax base.  Take the money and run just like in other areas absorbed into the city.  The city got their money and provides nil in the way of other city services.  of course they all get to "participate" in the pet sewer project that is going to hell in a hand basket with all the mismanagement due to appointees for the County Commissioners and the good old boys.  The game of how much money can we take fromm the sucker public?  As I said, any of them show up out on my land, they will be leaving one way or another. With or without the Sheriff, but they will leave as trespassers.  Attending your council meetings would be a complete waste of my time.  I live in the county and intend to stay there.  I saw how the city works after a certain bad shoot by one of Waynesvilles finest a few years ago.  A cover up as far as I am concerned to make sure the guy didn't go to jail.  Who will watch the watchers?  Heck, you may even have been on the force at the time.

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I have nothing to hide and there are a number here who do know me.  As for stirring up the shit, maybe you could enlighten us as to the items discussed about witmore behind closed doors.  Also about how to deal with the legitimate lawsuit against the sewer district?  How much is that gonna cost the county taxpayers as well as the city?   The collectors wil make sure to get our money one way or another.  Next time I will read the bulletin board First Sergeant

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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2007, 10:47:48 PM »
Red Oak was not taken into the City, only the property owned by the people who requested annexation.  A lot of the comments on here have been made based on false or misleading information. I guess some people just like to stir the ........
 
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On each side of Red Oak Road.....right?  the store too.  Someone needs to stir it up.  Complacent people get what they deserve.  This is not yet a police state.  I refuse to adopt the police state mentality that the government is my friend.  it is not.  People that think for themselves are a danger to the socialists.  Read my signature sometime.  It is true you know.
 
PS.  I hope they do ok with the store and restaurant too.  More mo9ney for Billy to play with and give to someone besides LE.

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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2007, 11:27:32 PM »
I ask again, how Highway 17 was annexed into city limits?  there was certainly no vote I ever heard of.


City limits may be altered, how.
79.020. The mayor and board of aldermen of such city, whether the same shall have been incorporated before becoming a city of the fourth class or not, with the consent of a majority of the voters of such city voting on the question, shall have power to extend the limits of the city over territory adjacent thereto, and to diminish the limits of the city by excluding territory therefrom, and shall, in every case, have power, with the consent of the voters as aforesaid, to extend or diminish the city limits in such manner as in their judgment and discretion may redound to the benefit of the city.
 
RSMo 77.020 also refers to Third Class Cities.  In either case, an election is required.  I don't rmember an election regarding the extension of city limits up Highway 17 to Red Oak Road.

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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2007, 11:27:54 PM »
Glad that you are right and everyone else is wrong.  I thought that Red Oak was the road that ran beside the cemetery, if it is the other then I stand corrected on that.  However the annexation was disussed in open session, even though you refuse to accept that.  The lawsuit, blame the sewer district, they are the ones that filed it.  We are working on providing fire hydrants to those areas that were annexed, should it have been done before, you bet, but there are no do-overs in real life.  Since you have all the facts settled in your mind and there is no possibility of you being wrong, i will make no further comment

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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2007, 12:00:57 AM »
In any case, the city only has three years to get the job done from time of annexation.  Any of those affected by the annexation can file for deannexation after three years with lack of serivces provided.  See RSMo 71-015.  I do blame the sewer district for lost of things.;  Extortion is among them.  Strong word, but it applies since they threaten people with dire consequences unless they comply to thier wishes.  Make sense?  Like I said, I am outside of the city limits and intend to stay there.  I intend that where I live remain in the county and out of the jurisdiction of the city.  The city can offer me nothing but increased taxes. 
Red Oak Road is at the intersection next to Witmore Farms.  The one running by the cemetary is Hiway 17.

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« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2007, 12:41:32 AM »
In any case, the city only has three years to get the job done from time of annexation.  Any of those affected by the annexation can file for deannexation after three years with lack of serivces provided.  See RSMo 71-015.  I do blame the sewer district for lost of things.;  Extortion is among them.  Strong word, but it applies since they threaten people with dire consequences unless they comply to thier wishes.  Make sense?  Like I said, I am outside of the city limits and intend to stay there.  I intend that where I live remain in the county and out of the jurisdiction of the city.  The city can offer me nothing but increased taxes. 
Red Oak Road is at the intersection next to Witmore Farms.  The one running by the cemetary is Hiway 17.
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Re: Witmore Farms Annexation
« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2007, 01:13:33 AM »
Can't do that.  I would not last even a few days.  I don't believe in compromising my principles.  Besides I have a full time job I really love.

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« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2007, 01:42:24 AM »
maybe if more politicians believed in not compromising their principles the world might be a better place..

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« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2007, 05:57:26 AM »
If you object, please come forward and make your obkections known in public, don't hide behind a made up name on a forum not available to all.
Ed Conley

Not objecting here....just making sure everything is out in the open.

As far as hiding behind a 'false name' I think most people on here know who I am and where I work.  If you don't then you don't read this board much especially the Law Enforcement Sections.

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« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2007, 06:03:14 AM »
Red Oak was not taken into the City, only the property owned by the people who requested annexation.  A lot of the comments on here have been made based on false or misleading information. I guess some people just like to stir the ........

Ed Conley

Nobody trying to stir the pot just make sure things are out for everyone to see. 

If Red Oak wasn't taken into the city then how did the Old Gypsy Trails get annexed? Doesn't the city have to have a continuous line of property? There is a building on each side of the road.  Is the intersection in the city? Again not trying to stir but just asking a ?.  I do know that it looks funny with 2 nice parking lots and then Red Oak through the middle with nothing done.

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« Reply #26 on: December 26, 2007, 06:14:07 AM »
You make sense YT and Irish is done speaking. Don't expect an answer on this.  The city council owes us county citizens nothing.  And that is the straight truth.  That is not meant to be mean or sarcastic, just the way it is.  Like most places, the people in perceived power can dish it out, but when criticized, can't take it and react accordingly.  They either stop the discussion in a public forum or go after the the flea that keeps biting them.  By now, I expect that Waynesville Police have a complete description and license plate on me. 

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« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2007, 04:01:13 PM »
Does this mean that all the kids that currently attend Laquey who live along 17 will have to move to Waynesville schools since they are in the Waynesville city limits?  If so, I hope there aren't that many kids out that way because Waynesville is already over crowded. 

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« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2007, 04:33:24 PM »
From what I've gotten on this thread I think I understand that Waynesville's city limits already was up to the property line of this property correct?  That includes the Honda dealership and the homes and businesses to include the Adult Book Story and bowling ally, correct?  If not, how can they annex a part here and there and not the land between the two areas?  Just trying to get this straight in my own mind.

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« Reply #29 on: December 26, 2007, 05:00:48 PM »
From what I've gotten on this thread I think I understand that Waynesville's city limits already was up to the property line of this property correct?  That includes the Honda dealership and the homes and businesses to include the Adult Book Story and bowling ally, correct?  If not, how can they annex a part here and there and not the land between the two areas?  Just trying to get this straight in my own mind.

Nope...the adult area, and all that is County.  Waynesville has the roadway in the city.  That is how they can skip and jump to whatever property requests to be in the city.  Same thing happened when Skyline Honda opened.  Far as I know there is nothing between Skyline and Witmor that is city other than the roadway.