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Re: 2008 State of Union Sheriff's Dept. Report
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2008, 03:01:49 AM »

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Re: 2008 State of Union Sheriff's Dept. Report
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2008, 04:30:42 AM »
Their salary is just a little short of my entire budget in the Communications Center for all dispatchers.

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Re: 2008 State of Union Sheriff's Dept. Report
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2008, 11:15:12 AM »
Now let us start naming potential candidates who can beat Dennis and Bill R. Each must be willing to vote on allowing the law enforcement tax issue be decided by taxpayers/ voters.

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Re: 2008 State of Union Sheriff's Dept. Report
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2008, 12:58:54 PM »
JB said it right too.  Total EXPENSE because we sure don't get what we pay for in this instance.  Average 4 hours a week and doing that when they can be sure most of us who work, cannot attend.  I figure they make about $72 an hour for sitting around and talking up a storm but getting little accomplished (except where their buddies are concerned).

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Re: 2008 State of Union Sheriff's Dept. Report
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2008, 07:28:34 PM »
Thornsberry and Farnham will be looking at reelection this year, if they decide to run.  Ransdall doesn't run for reelection until 2010. 

I asked a question on another thread concerning getting some kind of flier or correspondence out to the registered voter's of the County concerning if they supported the LE Sales Tax.  It would be nice to know if that can even be accomplished, because if it can you might be able to get the support you need to get these two moron's to support putting the tax up for a vote.

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Re: 2008 State of Union Sheriff's Dept. Report
« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2008, 08:48:35 PM »
Farnham up for reelection?  I thought the terms were overlapped

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Re: 2008 State of Union Sheriff's Dept. Report
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2008, 08:54:30 PM »
Both Eastern and Western district run this year, and every four years. I heard Earl Arnold is running against Farnham. I will ask him when I see him if he is Pro Law Enforcement Tax.. If not? Rut Roh.. I suspect that Arnold and Ransdall are on the same page, and if they are removing Thornsberry will not fix the problem if Arnold were to win. This will be a good time to step up to the plate for JB and his posse.

Farnham up for reelection?  I thought the terms were overlapped

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Re: 2008 State of Union Sheriff's Dept. Report
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2008, 12:46:29 AM »
Earl Arnold is a longtime Democrat so it will not do any good to ask him what he would do. Democrats lie.

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Re: 2008 State of Union Sheriff's Dept. Report
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2008, 01:40:32 AM »
Good thing I read the Daily Guide. I found out in todays edition that for the fourth year in a row a nearly bankrupt Pulaski County cannot spare a single PENNY for me to buy a car with. Anybody got any horses you would loan us?
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Re: 2008 State of Union Sheriff's Dept. Report
« Reply #39 on: January 17, 2008, 04:01:01 AM »
Good thing I read the Daily Guide. I found out in todays edition that for the fourth year in a row a nearly bankrupt Pulaski County cannot spare a single PENNY for me to buy a car with. Anybody got any horses you would loan us?
         JB

341 & 345 will be in good shape.  They have a few.  There are some rubber bands in my upper right desk drawer!
 
 

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Re: 2008 State of Union Sheriff's Dept. Report
« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2008, 04:08:20 PM »
Good thing I read the Daily Guide. I found out in todays edition that for the fourth year in a row a nearly bankrupt Pulaski County cannot spare a single PENNY for me to buy a car with. Anybody got any horses you would loan us?
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Re: 2008 State of Union Sheriff's Dept. Report
« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2008, 07:27:17 PM »
Both Eastern and Western district run this year, and every four years. I heard Earl Arnold is running against Farnham. I will ask him when I see him if he is Pro Law Enforcement Tax.. If not? Rut Roh.. I suspect that Arnold and Ransdall are on the same page, and if they are removing Thornsberry will not fix the problem if Arnold were to win. This will be a good time to step up to the plate for JB and his posse.


Well, if he's running against Farnham and doesn't support the LE Sales Tax we would be going backward AGAIN just like we did when people voted for Ransdall when they knew he didn't support the LE Sales Tax.  We need to make damn sure someone that supports the tax runs and WINS against Thornsberry (if he runs) and either keep Farnham in or replace him with another person that also supports the tax.  We don't need Ransdall if we have the other two Commissioners who support the tax, it would be two to one and we could send it to the voters.

Still would like to know about the question I posed above.

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Re: 2008 State of Union Sheriff's Dept. Report
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2008, 01:55:04 AM »
Final report card for 2008 budget and my requests.
1.  add process server-   NO!
2.  Add 3.5 new jail staff-  NO!
3.  Add new dispatcher-  NO!
4.  Money to buy a car with-  NO!
5.  Money for computer support-  NO!
         I cannot go on you got the message.
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Re: 2008 State of Union Sheriff's Dept. Report
« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2008, 09:47:26 PM »
Final report card for 2008 budget and my requests.
1.  add process server-   NO!
2.  Add 3.5 new jail staff-  NO!
3.  Add new dispatcher-  NO!
4.  Money to buy a car with-  NO!
5.  Money for computer support-  NO!
         I cannot go on you got the message.
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    With the latest rumors going around about the 2009 budget this final report on the 2008 budget might even look good.
JB

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Re: 2008 State of Union Sheriff's Dept. Report
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2008, 09:50:02 PM »
pay Raise for Commissioners?  YES

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« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2008, 10:15:38 PM »
And to think I was going to request 2 new fulltime dispatchers because of the increased volume of everything.  With the staff we have now we can barely keep up and have no time to do the extras we need to.  Example....I write all our new protocols at home.     *****

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« Reply #46 on: August 24, 2008, 10:25:57 PM »
And to think I was going to request 2 new fulltime dispatchers because of the increased volume of everything.  With the staff we have now we can barely keep up and have no time to do the extras we need to.  Example....I write all our new protocols at home.     *****
I think you need a base station YT at home (at your own expence)
 That way you could dispatch when your resting don't you.
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Re: 2008 State of Union Sheriff's Dept. Report
« Reply #47 on: August 24, 2008, 10:29:49 PM »

    With the latest rumors going around about the 2009 budget this final report on the 2008 budget might even look good.
JB
Correct me if I am wrong, but has Ransdall been saying the sheriff got all he wanted this year except cars money? Where did he get that lunatic idea?

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« Reply #48 on: August 24, 2008, 10:59:03 PM »
Correct me if I am wrong, but has Ransdall been saying the sheriff got all he wanted this year except cars money? Where did he get that lunatic idea?

OCP I think I read the same thing.  We didn't get squat far as I remember.  We did get the big 25 cents/hr raise though.  And people wonder why we go through so many dispatchers.  Entry level...  $8.50/hr.  Division head - $9.25/hr  and pay you're own health insurance if you want it ($100.00/month for individual, 2/3 of pay if you want to cover the family).  Soon we will be requiring them to purchase their own uniform pants as we are going to join the rest of the dept. with a standardized uniform in Communications.

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« Reply #49 on: August 24, 2008, 11:00:05 PM »
I think you need a base station YT at home (at your own expence)
 That way you could dispatch when your resting don't you.
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« Reply #50 on: August 24, 2008, 11:13:03 PM »
JT can ya tell me how to transmit over my scanner??   ***(((*
  I properly should say this out loud because it might stop a lot of scanner talk and all the scanner people on here will kill me.   but.......... most of your cars have computers.
 So you got IM available and also there is voice programs you can use.
 The  LE departments down here use this form of communication all the time/
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« Reply #51 on: August 25, 2008, 12:04:19 AM »
Those computers that link to the communications center cost thousands of dollars for the programming per car plus the training and certification for the officers to operate them.  MSHP has them.  I asked for the software to link our CAD to MULES and its too expensive for budget. $8k.  But we can dream.
 
We use our pagers to pass on information if needed.  Each officer uses their personal cell phone except 1 detective.  At lease we get a discount of 15%. 
 
 

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I know this isn't the place to do this, but I can't figure out another way, so I am asking the rest of you to excuse me...Yankee Trader, I believe it is your daughter who joined our Girl Scout troop in Laquey towards the end of the last school year. I cannot find your phone number or address and time is running out! We are having a parent meeting on Thursday, August 28 at 6:00 pm in the Middle School cafeteria. I would love for you and/or your wife to join us as we try to plan our year. Our first official meeting will be Thursday, September 4, same time, same place.
 
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                                            2008 State of The Union Report
                                            Pulaski County Sheriff’s Department
 
As part of the 2007 budget process I submitted a State of the Union report to the Pulaski County Commission. At this time 95% of the material in that report remains unchanged. The 2008 report will only focus on a few key points. They are low employee pay, excessive loss of employees, the training effort associated with that loss, the financial loss to the County due to departing employees, and the inadequate numbers of employees. As members of the Pulaski County Commission I urge you to carefully read the contents of this report. I will also submit the 2007 report for background information.
 
Low employee pay: The pay scale associated with the Sheriffs Department has been woefully inadequate for many years. In accordance with my instructions from the Pulaski County Commission I have submitted the 2008 budget with the 25 cent per hour wage increase for each employee. The news of this 25-cent per hour raise has already resulted in the loss of the Dispatch Division Supervisor. He joins 54 other full time employees who have departed from the Sheriff’s Department since January of 2005. My fear is that as 2008 continues I will lose other key members of my Department.We cannot lose 55 full time employees in only 36 months and continue to prosper as a Department. We have now lost 20 road Deputies, 20 jail staff members and 15 Dispatch employees. The loss of experience, training, and general knowledge about people and events that have previously affected Law Enforcement here in Pulaski County is a horrible burden to bear for our department. The financial drain on the County budget as each of these 55 people were paid off when they exited our employ has created problems over the past 36 months because the money was not there to make the payoff.
 
During the 2007 State Audit, the audit team devoted a great deal of study to the time sheets of the Sheriff’s Department employees. The final audit report indicated they felt we had an outstanding balance of some 3,700 hours of compensatory time on the books.And the news gets much worse. Due to the passage of the new minimum wage bill in 2006 many legal experts feel that the exempt provisions found in the special 171-hour Law Enforcement section have been repealed. The 171-hour rule means that an officer may work 171 hours in a 28-day period without incurring any overtime. In simple terms it means that during each 28-day period the Deputy works 11 hours for free. There are 13 pay periods under the 171-hour rule per year. At the max limit of 11 hours per 13 periods this would credit each Deputy with another 214.5 hours of comp time per year. Approximately 16 deputies would be in a position for this to apply and that works out to the possibility of an additional 3,432 hours for one year.At this time I have received advice from legal counsel to continue tracking the Deputies under the 171-hour standard until such time as Circuit Court cases have cleared the air as to exactly what the new law means.
 
But I must note that the State of Missouri has ordered all state law enforcement departments to consider their officers as 40-hour per week employees. Many other major size departments have also taken this step. My own reading of the new law is that it is only a matter of time until our Pulaski County Deputies will draw time and a half for each hour over 40 per week. And this change will be retroactive to January of 2007. This will require a massive adjustment of our time cards and greatly increase our comp time totals. The Pulaski County Commission has set the policy that employees of the Sheriff’s Department may not be paid for comp time. They must take the time off or they may be paid in full if they leave the department. Since the employees are not going to be paid unless they leave our employ per the Commission order this means we do have time to plan a response to this issue.
 
In the year 2004 the department recorded 3,912 calls for service. We finished 2007 with a total of 9,226 calls for service. Our last increase in the number of Deputies for the department occurred in 1999. At this time we do not have the number of Deputies that we need to handle to workload. Ordering Deputies to take comp time off will not work. We cannot spare them from the daily workload. The only solution will be to increase the number of Deputies in the Department. One last point to consider is that each departing Deputy or employee means we have another person to train. For the road Deputies it means a two-person team responds to each call. Thus we work one person short until the new officer is trained.
 
With 12 road positions this does hamper us but we can manage. When the new employee is from the dispatch or jail section, which only has five employees to start with, the loss is critical. It leads to large amounts of overtime each week as the training process continues. It forces us to release the new employee to a working alone status before they may be ready. Thus mistakes will occur. We must add additional people to the jail and dispatch staff in order to give us a chance to control overtime.In the jail section we have been forced to work one person at a time to protect, control, and supervise thirty inmates or more at any given time. I will not repeat all of the problems that this creates; I have already covered this issue at great length in the 2007 State of the Union Report. BUT this issue must be resolved. We must double the staff that works in our jail.
 
At this time Pulaski County finds itself in the position where we must properly complete our required legal duty to safeguard and otherwise care for the inmates committed to our jail. This is our duty under many laws including United States Code title 18 Sec.1983. The deliberate or willful indifference to their health, welfare and safety can have extremely serious consequences for Pulaski County. As the Sheriff I can only request, plead, and beg for the help we need. The only persons who can resolve this problem are the three members of the Pulaski County Commission. This is a duty that YOU owe to the inmates that our housed in our jail.
 
The low employee pay scales must be addressed. In looking at the road and bridge budget for 2007 I was struck by the fact that two employees there had entry level salary figures in the $23,000.00 range. Everyone else was $25,000.00 or higher. In the 2007 State of the Union address I noted that the 2006 budget featured an average salary of $26,907.89 for each road and bridge employee and the average for each Sheriff’s Department employee was only $21,768.47. This was a difference of $5,139.42 per employee. For the 2007 budget the average salary for a road and bridge employee was $27,369.00. In 2007 for the Sheriff’s Department it was $21,767.39.
 
Once again I must note that our salary levels are grossly inferior to the road and bridge employees. In Pulaski County it pays better to have a Commercial Drivers License and a shovel to guard a pothole then it does to wear a bullet resistant vest and arrest violent offenders. The hazards we face are real, as you will recall, not that long ago, one of our Deputies was shot twice at close range with a shotgun. Our Deputies must possess a state POST license that requires almost one year to acquire at an expense of over $5,000.00 in fees. Then they must complete 48 hours of continuing education for each three-year block of time after they leave the Academy.Our training levels are higher, our danger levels are higher, we work 24/7/365 and my Deputies would like to know why they are paid much less than the road and bridge employees. Why?Recommendations for the Commission 
  • Establish a second process service position. You already have a letter from me explaining how we can do this at NO cost to the County.
  • Establish at least 3.5 additional jail staff members, 6 would be better. We will have a new source of revenue this budget year from Lowe’s that we have never had before and that sales tax revenue will cover 3.5 new jail staff members with ease. This same source can also fund one more full time dispatch position. Both of these moves will decrease comp time for the future and allow us to do our job with more efficiency.
  • For the Future of the Department and the Future of Pulaski County, place a ½ cent sales tax for the operation of the Sheriff’s Department on the ballot. This tax should be only for operations. The funding for the jail expense should continue to come from the general revenue fund. If the citizens of Pulaski County would approve this tax it would enable us to double the size of the Sheriff’s Department over the 36-month period after the tax is passed. It would allow us to add badly needed full time Narcotic officers to our staff. It would provide for the necessary vehicles for the department. It would allow us to pay a decent wage to all sections of our department, thus cutting way down on the loss of experienced employees. It would allow us to structure our employee pay scale to allow for growth and promotions. At this time our supervisors make the same salary as the people they supervise. This violates most common business and leadership practices. It would also enable us to pay off the mountain of comp time liability that we face. And last but not least the funding from general revenue that used to come to the Sheriff’s Department, less jail expense, would be returned to the control of the Pulaski County Commission and could be used for other serious projects in Pulaski County.
The future of Pulaski County is in your hands.  As members of the Pulaski County Commission you control the County and you determine the direction the County will take for the future.
 
Sheriff J. B. King


    I took the time to reread this post and in view of the articles in the DG of late it appears that most of my info here was right on the money.

JB

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Re: 2008 State of Union Sheriff's Dept. Report
« Reply #55 on: September 24, 2008, 05:18:56 PM »
Congraulations!