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Re: an obama achievement?
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« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2008, 02:37:52 AM »
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« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2008, 02:53:19 AM »
I don't know retired1_us if you ever get on foxnews blogs and read the comments that are made about him, but really it is all about race with a lot of people that are not voting for him.
People are calling him boy and monkey and the people that try to be political correct say, " i don't have anything against black people but....." I have heard it all before. You can't tell me that a big part of white America is looking at him and they are not seeing a black men and not having their prejudice.
And yeah they are ideas, ideas in the making. He has only been in the senate for a little over two years, and we all know how long it can take to get things through the grinder in a place called washington.
I guess will will see what happens.
I just say OBAMA08!!!

You sound level headed enough, and I am guessing maybe you caught my point - he is too young in the business.  Which means, if he is elected someone else is behind him and he will be nothing more than a puppet.  That's the scary part when you think about it.  All of that ideology will go out the window on day one and George Soros and his cronies will take it from there.  They don't care about you my friend.  They don't care.

BTW, I read and listen to more than FOX.  Peace.

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« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2008, 02:54:37 AM »
Yeah and Clinton didn't inhale either.

Neither did Monica if'n ya know what I mean.  Wonder how much that dress is worth now?  LOL

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« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2008, 04:36:18 AM »
I don't know retired1_us if you ever get on foxnews blogs and read the comments that are made about him, but really it is all about race with a lot of people that are not voting for him.
People are calling him boy and monkey and the people that try to be political correct say, " i don't have anything against black people but....." I have heard it all before. You can't tell me that a big part of white America is looking at him and they are not seeing a black men and not having their prejudice.
And yeah they are ideas, ideas in the making. He has only been in the senate for a little over two years, and we all know how long it can take to get things through the grinder in a place called washington.
I guess will will see what happens.
I just say OBAMA08!!!
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« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2008, 04:37:53 AM »
I think you are very wrong to play the race card.  I have nothing against his race,  I have a problem with his name.  and the fact that  he hasn't proven himself wothy of being the President of the United States.
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« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2008, 03:00:13 PM »
I was not referring to you murfyzlaw. And what's in a name? If someones last name was McVeigh (the Oklahoma City Bomber) or Dahmers (the cannibal) would you not vote for them either, or you just don't like Obamas Name because it sounds "unamerican" to you.
I think McCain would be a good president too in a lot of aspects, but like I said I don't agree with some of his Policy Issues, therefore I would want Barack Obama for President.


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« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2008, 05:56:50 PM »
I tell you its too friggin sad that people will not listen to reason.  This guy has no REAL qualifications to do the job.  Yes, he is idealistic, but to what end?  His desires for the country are mostly in total opposition to many Americans. 

Why do you think that he and Hillary haven't been debating MAJOR points of policy?  BECAUSE, they have the same agenda.  Change?  Please!  Every time we have an election things change.  Do you really think McCain will just step in and rubber stamp everything Bush has done?  Buy a clue.

Besides think about this for a minute.  BUSH ISN'T RUNNING.  Yet all you hear from these goombas is about how screwed up everything Bush did.  He's not running.  McCain is so far from him its amazing he got the nomination.  Even the Republicans don't want the ultra conservative candidate.

Obama is a socialist.  Not an American he's a borderline Nazi.  A national socialist.  He believes the Government knows better than you do about how to live your life.  The Govt. can stay the hell out of my life thank you very much.  I don't need socialised medicine.  I don't need them telling me that I am or am not qualified to do or own or not do or not own anything.

Its not up to them.  We are a Govt. by the people.  These guys need to remember that they work for us to get us what we want and need.  Do they ever think that what they propose may not be in the best interest of the country.  Present company included.  I don't want my boy in a war.  Nobody in their right mind does.  But when it does happen do you just sit and bitch, or get in and go get the job done?

The Dem's don't want to get done, they want to get out.  Then police if they get bad again.  They already are bad.  Who cares how they got that way, they are now!  So lets get it done.

Sorry for the rant many thoughts this morning not all joined.  But like I said, you better think long and hard about who's got the best interest of the country, not just great slogans, in mind.  Regardless of what they call themselves..

One last point.  One group wants to disarm the country.  No logic or common sense dictates this desire.  Just a knee jerk response to people who don't give a fat rat's a$$ about any law they pass anyway.  Those who desire to keep and bear arms according to the constitution, would be made into criminals because of the desire of some people.  No I won't.  There is a phrase in that 2nd ammendment.  "the people"  now they can say whatever they like about anything else, but you can't make those two words go away.

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« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2008, 06:10:47 PM »
I believe it would be a grave mistake to try to take away peoples guns.  I do not like guns nor do I own any, but I support other citizens right to bear arms.    the only thing that ticks me off about people having guns in their homes is the idiots that leave them where a child can get them.  i think that if a child gets a hold of their parents gun and hurts someone the owner of the gun should do the punishment.  But seriously if the gov. did try to take away the guns God only knows what would happen,  it would go back to smuggling, selling them in back alleys, blackmarket, etc.
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« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2008, 07:52:23 PM »
Barack Obamas stand on gun control never was that he wants to take guns away from everyone. He wants to extend the ban on assault weapons, and I am sorry, who besides the military or the police has a logical reason to own or carry an M 16 for example. And he is against anyone carrying a concealed weapon. He never said you can't keep your gun at home or go hunting with it. How many people on this board had to actually ever use their gun to protect themself, but how often have you heard about kids accidently shooting themselfs or other people or teenagers taking guns from their parents to blow up have their school.
I have lived in a lof of places in the United States, and never ever did I feel that treatend that I thought about owning a gun.
And yes McCain is a very "liberal" republican but he wants to hold on to things that George Bush started like the war in iraq and the tax cuts. Let me ask you. If the tax cuts GW put in place are so good, why is the economy doing so bad?
Do you think you could really change anything if you keep those two major things that costs billions of dollars. So where would Senator McCain get his money in order to make the changes he is talking about.
And for you Bill, I guess Germany is still a Nazi Country then, because the Goverment makes a lot of desicions for them, and from what I experienced a lot of them are very good. Mandated Health Insurance for example.

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« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2008, 08:22:21 PM »
Half of what a German worker makes goes right back to the government.  That is where the mandatory health care (and all of the other wonderful social programs) come(s) from.  Their unemployment rate is now as high as it was in the 30's - when Hitler was drawing up his game plan.  If you are making 10 Euro an hour you get to keep 5.  If you are making 50 you get to keep 25.  If you are one of the 5 mil unemployed you make nothing essentially.  But you all still get the SAME quality health care.  What's fair about that?

I don't have much to say about the assault weapon issue, but DO know quite a few that do.  They earned the right and privilege to own and maintain them.  It isn't an easy process to go through.  As far as the conceal and carry - I have a LOT to say about that.  I have been places that I have felt threatened.  Bottom line with firearms, it is a Constitutional. 

I was raised to believe the Constitution meant something.  It is the law of the land here.  Just as the Koran and Sharia are in the Middle East.  We DON'T need to change our rules to be better accepted in the global arena.  The rest of the world isn't doing anything special to accomodate us.  And if you check your history - we've built over half of it.

The economy is sucking partially as a backdraft to the nothingness of the Clinton era.  Economics are a trickle down process.  Reaganomics worked.  That's why Bubba's time was so easy.  Bubba cut our military spending to a gnat's a$$ of the annual budget.  It cost a lot of money to put the Afghan invasion together but nobody complained - we've been there since shortly after 9/11.  We toppled the Taliban in response to 9/11.  Saddam was a completely different issue, but everyone agreed to do it - including the UN.  It was part of a UN policy.  GW didn't just wake up one day and say I want to bomb the $#!+ outta somebody - Barb, what do you think?

You want a comparison of bad foreign policy?  We are still very much involved in Eastern Europe.  Why?  And what did it really accomplish for the rest of the free world?  We are still paying for Bubba's Waterloo.  And nobody is deriding HIM for that.

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« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2008, 12:59:06 AM »
While we all may not agree on the subject of guns, I guess I will add to this.  Keep in mind that our forefathers invoked the 2d Amendment after much discussion.  Also, keep in mind the fact that they did not believe in or approve of a standing Army.  Therefore weapons among the population were of the latest technology.  That said, I can have pretty much any rifle or handgun I desire as long as I can afford it.  Do they have a purpose?  Perhaps not in your eyes, but in mine they do.  I tend to want weapons that I am most familiar with.  Yes, I also hunt, but the 2d Amendment is NOT about hunting.  It is about protecting ourselves against tyranny and criminals both.  Barak and Hillary both want our guns.  If you want to live with despots and criminals abusing you, then YOU give up your guns.  Look at Australia and England for examples of what happens when the general public is disarmed.  Just safer for the criminals to do their work.  As for CCW, you liberals will never know whether or not I am carrying.  Not unless the time comes where that gun is needed.  I would much rather have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.  I hear the liberals talk about nothing being worth your life.  Well some things are to me.  The sanctity of the Constitution is one of them.  While the idolatry goes on about Obama and/or Hillary, keep in mind, there are ARMED people guarding them.  People like Diane Feinstein want your guns too.  Even though DiFI carries a gun herself.  Same for actors and actresses.  It is much easier to control a population of sheep than to control citizens who know they are right and are armed.  I will not give up my guns because some crazy signs something into law.  Obama is insane to think he can sign some law and make the police and military take our guns away.
Gorzella, Bill is right.  There is no such thing as "reasonable" gun control.  all the police can do is draw the chalkline around your cold body after a criminal shoots or stabs or beats you to death.  And you never had the tools to defend yourself.  The Constitution gives none of us any of the rights listed in the 1st ten amendments.  It ENUMERATES God-Given Rights.  A quick question.  What is the First Law of Nature gorzella?

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« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2008, 02:19:20 AM »
If the economy is so bad,how did hillary and obama raise so much? Hillary already spent $133 mil +. that is an economic stimulus plan.
Guns, who is anyone to say what guns a law abiding person should own? How many guns are there? how many accidental deaths? How many cars? How many accidental deaths?
Europe is heavily taxed as is canada, yet we still have the best health care in the world.
How did bubba react to the 1993 WTC bombing? How did W react to 9/11?
Hillary and obama do not have the best interests of the country in mind,only their own power.
 

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« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2008, 03:02:10 AM »
I don't know all the stats or particulars but tell me how Obama Hussein Barack raised soooo much money?  Where is it coming from?  Besides Oprah I mean.
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« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2008, 03:19:05 AM »
One more thing. Anybody knows illegal immigrants will not go away. So my question is. What is realistically more achieveable. Giving them the opportunity to be legal one day and pay taxes that would benefit all of us, or rounding them up and deporting them. Do you have any idea how much money and manpower that will cost, and who will pay for that. We are unable to identify people here in the city that have to pay sewer charges, but we will find all 1.7 million illegals and deport them, come on. And just because illegal immigrants don't have a drivers license does that mean they will not drive? No. I rather for them to get a license and maybe be safer drivers.

Google "operation wetback"  We can round them up and out!
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« Reply #45 on: March 04, 2008, 03:32:38 AM »
HOOVER AND EISENHOWER
 

Here is something that should be of great interest for you to pass around.

I didn't know of this until it was pointed out to me. But, back during the
Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of all
illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American citizens that
desperately needed work.

And then again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million
Mexican nationals! The program was called "Operation Wetback" so that
American WWII and Korean veterans had a better chance at jobs.
It took 2 years, but they deported them!

Now, if they could deport the illegals back then, they can sure do it today!!
If you have doubts about the veracity of this information, enter Operation
Wetback into your favorite search engine and confirm it for yourself.

Reminder:  Don't forget to pay your taxes... 20 million illegal aliens are
depending on you!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback
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« Reply #46 on: March 04, 2008, 06:15:48 PM »
Buy a clue here.  Gun Control isn't about duck hunting and the like its about CONTROL.  Who are they to decide what I can and cannot have?

If you do a little research as well you will find that car accidents and general accidents around the home kill more children than guns do.  Don't buy the propaganda, find out for yourselves. 

As for health care I have a few problems myself.  I have diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol and a couple more things that are nunya.  I still don't want to pay 50% or more in taxes just so I can go to the doctor when I want.

And I still believe that Obama, and Hillary are Nazis.  Not like Adolf, because he abused it but philosophically they are Nazis.  National Socialists.  They believe the Govt should run the lives of the people.  The Constitution and what men and women fought over in the great civil war wasn't about slavery or the power of the govt.  Its about Govt of by and for the PEOPLE.  Not the friggin politicians.

But the know better than you do how your life ought to be so they will pass laws and the like to make you fall into line.  No.  I am not that type of person.  I have no desire to be governed by people who are that arrogant and who believe they are better than I am.

No.  Flat out No.  I don't care who they are ain't nobody better than me.  Some may be smarter and I bow to their knowledge and wisdom, some may have more and I applaud their ability.  But neither of these things makes anyone better than me.  But a self-agrandized pompous arrogant sack of water can frankly kiss me tukas.

Be stupid its free.  Knowing better and choosing the wrong is stupid.  Now if you just don't know that's ignorance and there's nothing wrong with that.  I am ignorant about some things but I chose to learn all I can to remedy that ignorance.  To not do so is stupid.

To chose ignorance in the face of solid logic, facts and empirical knowledge is just plain idiotic.  It borders on mental illness.

Excuse me.  My oldest son just asked me if I wanted to go look at guns.  I do so bye.

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« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2008, 03:16:07 AM »
There's a gun show in springfield 15-16 march bill! I'll be there.
individual citizens contibuted to obama and hillary. but so did big contributors. It is their right. But what will some of those contributions cost us?

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« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2008, 04:37:22 AM »
Fish send me a pm about the gun show.  I need to get me some ammo for the 9MM.

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I was not going to post here anymore talking about politics. Not very many Liberals here, and as much as you can't convince me that Obama is evil, with no experience, a funny name, and what not, I can't convince you that I think he would be good for this country. But anyway.
Just wanted to say one more thing about Germany. I am German and lived and worked in my beloved Country (is that ok when I say that or is it only ok to say how great your country is if you are an US Citizen) for 22 years, and never have I paid 50 Percent of my income in Taxes. The maximum right now is 42 % and that is when you make about $75000 and more. That includes your 401k, your unemployment ins and your health ins. So I don't think that is really that bad, considering what you pay just for health ins over here. It also depends on how many children you have. More children less taxes.
I love many things about the United States, but it bothers me when I hear how it's the best Country in the world with the hardest working people, the best people and who knows what else. You know there are a lot of other nice places in the world that are equally good and bad.
 
 

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« Reply #50 on: March 07, 2008, 01:15:36 AM »
what are obama's qualifications?
a 42% tax rate and that isn't too bad??
the US is the best country in the world. there are a lot of nice places in the world to visit, but this is the best place to live!
Since when is a person not supposed to have pride in their country?

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« Reply #51 on: March 07, 2008, 01:57:23 AM »
You can leave if you want.  I'm not very PC or diplomatic.  If you think the US sucks then get out.  Go anywhere but here.  We are the best at everythng, and if you don't like that we think that way; LEAVE. 

I love this country and have and will sacrifice for it.  But not the way Obama wants us to.  $42% taxes sucks and the Germans can have it.  I don't want it here.  Not one true American and that's one that loves this country and believes we're the best bar none, regardless of where they were born or raised, wants that type of tax rate.

Gorzella said, "You know there are a lot of other nice places in the world that are equally good and bad."

BS!  No place is like here.  No place.  Thinking like that is well........................ wrong.

I ain't backing up either.
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« Reply #52 on: March 07, 2008, 12:47:51 PM »
You know you last sentence is just what I was talking about.
Germans that are that proud of their country are called Nazis.

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« Reply #53 on: March 08, 2008, 02:21:31 AM »
nazis are nazis. They are proud of their movement,it has nothing to do with germany as there are nazis here in this country. The movement may have started in germany, but it has spread to other countries.
 germans proud of their country are just that,proud germans. not a damn thing wrong with being proud of your country. But don't criticize mine while you are living in it and reaping the benefits of freedom WE paid for, and some are still paying!
 

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« Reply #54 on: March 08, 2008, 02:51:14 AM »
I smells a troll, but I dunno I have been wrong before and this wouldn't be the first time.

I still stand behind what I said.  Like the old 60's and early 70's bumper sticker.

America  Love it or Leave it.

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« Reply #55 on: March 08, 2008, 02:44:38 PM »
Like the old 60's and early 70's bumper sticker.

America  Love it or Leave it.

$Bill

Whatever happened to that attitude we had back then?

I understand where Gorzella is coming from, but do not agree with it all.  Point being there, Germans on a whole are satisfied with the socialism in their government.  They really don't have a choice unless they engage another way of thinking or experience it for themselves.

The exchange student I've mentioned was German.  She was the exact same mindset on many of these issues as Gorzella.  Anti-Bush, pro green, etc, etc, etc.  That is until she spent a year living in the "sticks".  I could write volumes on the discussions and debates we had, but the point is once she opened her mind a bit and let go of the 17 years of conditioning she had.....her mind changed on quite a few things.

The real scary part of Obamalie is that our youth are being fed the same socialist way of thinking by the bucket fulls and believing it.  For example the health care thing.  The average fresh outta high school kid can't think of leaving home on a service industry paycheck.  If mom and dad can't help, they will look to someone else - the Govt.

In line with this thread - that is where Obama is hooking them - unfortunately, most of them don't dig any deeper than what the meat puppets tell them.  They don't know how or don't care to check his political profile and record in the Senate.  His only real acheivement is NOT taking a stand on tough issues.
This election is sadly and very clearly turning into nothing more than a bad episode of American Idol.

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« Reply #56 on: March 08, 2008, 11:39:07 PM »
We sat still and figured people would figure out for themselves that these liberals were full of it.  But their slick ways swayed many folk and now its popular to be against whatever any conservative is for.

Stupid but true. 

There ain't no talking to some people.  Reason and common sense delivered in perfect logic escape them.  I graduated HS in 71.  Went to college the same year.  Had a choice of military but doc turned me loose due to health issues.

College work many years of living in the US and seeing what this liberal mindset has brought us.  Socialism.  I am sorry but didn't my Father in Law and many other men in their 70's 80' and 90's fight against that very thing, and now its the best thing for us.  Now as well as then I don't think so.

I just don't want to see it here in my life time and want my kids and grandkids to live as free as I have.  I haven't had the Govt. in my pocket and don't want them there now.

Oh and by the way.  I have worked on the yard, and got rid of many "things" the abatement board said were a nuisance.  Still have some others to go.  But was by City hall the other day paying the utilities and noticed houses close to them have more crap in their yard than I do.

That's what happens when Govt. gets involved.  You end up with unfair situations.  Why?  Mostly because the Govt. cant and doesn't want to be everywhere at once, they just want to be in control.

Popularity contests are for Jr. High and American Idol and the crap shows like that.  Ones many warriors won't watch with a gun to their head.  This election is like retired1_us said.  Sad people have allowed it to become that.  We need our butts kicked.  This might be the election to do it.  I hope not.  But better be ready.

Make America strong.  Buy a gun and much ammo.  Become a lawfully armed citizen.  Before you can't anymore.

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« Reply #57 on: March 09, 2008, 01:35:14 PM »
We're on the same track $$  Good post.

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« Reply #58 on: March 09, 2008, 03:06:14 PM »
"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan

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« Reply #59 on: March 09, 2008, 09:00:03 PM »
Yup Those be the ones.

Stay away and leave us alone to live.  We'll pay taxes and support our military to keep us safe.  We will support our Law Enforcement Officers as well.  We will work hard at our jobs and not collect unemployment or disability.  We will not make excuses.

We got your back.  You go ahead and live.

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