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« Reply #270 on: September 15, 2008, 03:49:58 PM »

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« Reply #271 on: September 15, 2008, 03:51:51 PM »
Obama Tried to Stall Iraq Withdrawal
New York Post ^ | September 15 | Amir Tahen


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September 15, 2008

By Amir Taheri

NY POST - While campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.

Obama has made many contradictory statements with regard to Iraq. His latest position is that US combat troops should be out by 2010. Yet his effort to delay an agreement would make that withdrawal deadline impossible to meet.

Supposing he wins, Obama's administration wouldn't be fully operational before February - and naming a new ambassador to Baghdad and forming a new negotiation team might take longer still.

By then, Iraq will be in the throes of its own campaign season. Judging by the past two elections, forming a new coalition government may then take three months. So the Iraqi negotiating team might not be in place until next June.

Then, judging by how long the current talks have taken, restarting the process from scratch would leave the two sides needing at least six months to come up with a draft accord. That puts us at May 2010 for when the draft might be submitted to the Iraqi parliament - which might well need another six months to pass it into law.

Thus, the 2010 deadline fixed by Obama is a meaningless concept, thrown in as a sop to his anti-war base.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and the Bush administration have a more flexible timetable in mind.

According to Zebari, the envisaged time span is two or three years - departure in 2011 or 2012. That would let Iraq hold its next general election, the third since liberation, and resolve a number of domestic political issues.

Even then, the dates mentioned are only "notional," making the timing and the cadence of withdrawal conditional on realities on the ground as appreciated by both sides.

Iraqi leaders are divided over the US election. Iraqi President Jalal Talabani (whose party is a member of the Socialist International) sees Obama as "a man of the Left" - who, once elected, might change his opposition to Iraq's liberation. Indeed, say Talabani's advisers, a President Obama might be tempted to appropriate the victory that America has already won in Iraq by claiming that his intervention transformed failure into success.

Maliki's advisers have persuaded him that Obama will win - but the prime minister worries about the senator's "political debt to the anti-war lobby" - which is determined to transform Iraq into a disaster to prove that toppling Saddam Hussein was "the biggest strategic blunder in US history."

Other prominent Iraqi leaders, such as Vice President Adel Abdul-Mahdi and Kurdish regional President Massoud Barzani, believe that Sen. John McCain would show "a more realistic approach to Iraqi issues."

Obama has given Iraqis the impression that he doesn't want Iraq to appear anything like a success, let alone a victory, for America. The reason? He fears that the perception of US victory there might revive the Bush Doctrine of "pre-emptive" war - that is, removing a threat before it strikes at America.

Despite some usual equivocations on the subject, Obama rejects pre-emption as a legitimate form of self -defense. To be credible, his foreign-policy philosophy requires Iraq to be seen as a failure, a disaster, a quagmire, a pig with lipstick or any of the other apocalyptic adjectives used by the American defeat industry in the past five years.

Yet Iraq is doing much better than its friends hoped and its enemies feared. The UN mandate will be extended in December, and we may yet get an agreement on the status of forces before President Bush leaves the White House in January.

Source: New York Post

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« Reply #272 on: September 15, 2008, 05:00:16 PM »
Guess who wants credit?  Guess who The One wants to get any blame?

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« Reply #273 on: September 15, 2008, 05:29:32 PM »
Kinda reminds me of the Reagan trick. 

oooooh I know that will ruffle some feathers.
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« Reply #274 on: September 15, 2008, 05:40:01 PM »
Kinda reminds me of the Reagan trick. 

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« Reply #275 on: September 15, 2008, 06:02:52 PM »
Not mine.  I believe the Iranians got rid of our hostages forthwith on the day he took office.  Carter had no cojones.  Reagan did.

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« Reply #276 on: September 15, 2008, 06:17:55 PM »
Agreed!!

Not mine.  I believe the Iranians got rid of our hostages forthwith on the day he took office.  Carter had no cojones.  Reagan did.
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« Reply #277 on: September 15, 2008, 06:35:07 PM »
“After Labor Day 1980, with the start of the general election campaign, Jimmy Carter began to show new signs of political life….There were also public doubts about Ronald Reagan, who was viewed by many as an extremist who might unnecessarily heat up the Cold War. Carter began to slowly close the gap on the former governor. But the Iranian hostage crisis hovered over his campaign like an accursed spirit.

“Though little noticed in Washington, political battles also were breaking out inside the Iranian leadership. Iran’s acting Foreign Minister Sadegh Ghotbzadeh told Agence France Presse on September 6 that he had information that Reagan was ‘trying to block a solution’ to the hostage impasse. The secret Republican plan to delay release of the hostages until after the U.S. elections had become a point of tension between Iranian President Bani-Sadr and Ayatollah Khomeini….[In U.S. Congressional testimony] Bani-Sadr said his trump card was a threat to tell the Iranian people about the secret deal that the Khomeini forces had struck with the Republicans” — Robert Parry, Secrecy and Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq (Arlington, VA: Media Consortium, 2004), 115.

“This book has not been an easy book to write. Its main thesis — that the 1980 Reagan-Bush campaign cut a secret arms-for-no-hostage-release agreement with the Khomeini regime in October 1980 — is not one I wish to be true. During my nearly four years as a political appointee in the Reagan-Bush national campaign, transition team, White House, and Department of Justice, I grew not only to like, but to love Ronald Reagan as an individual. The very idea that he could have done what I believe the facts force one to conclude was done, is deeply and personally painful.” — Barbara Honegger, October Surpise: Did the Reagan-Bush Election Campaign Sabotage President Carter’s Attempts to Free American Hostages in Iran? (New York: Tudor Publ. Co, 1989), 1,2.

“The secret contacts between the Reagan-Bush campaign and the Iranians in 1980 affected real lives and political events. The deal to delay the release of the hostages may well have been the first act in a drama that was ultimately to conclude with the Iran-Contra Affair. The evidence strongly implies that individuals with the government worked actively with members of the Reagan-Bush campaign to influence the outcome of the 1980 election….

“Where and how did the story begin? The antecedents of the illicit Republican contacts with Iran in 1980 can be traced to the taking of the hostages in November 1979, or to the overthrow of the shah earlier that year, or even to the nature of the shah’s regime and his relations with Israel and the United States. The secret dealings were the product of strategic interests, political rivalries and personal ambitions in three different countries: the United States, Iran, and Israel. It was, however, the dynamics of the U.S. presidential race that led William Casey to initiate contact with two Iranian intermediaries, Cyrus and Jamshid Hashemi, early in 1980.

“Why would the Republicans run such a risk?….The evidence suggests that Casey and others may have seen possible manipulation of the hostage crisis by Carter as a more serious threat to their election plans than the risk of being caught in secret dealings with Iran. There was a genuine and widespread concern within the Reagan-Bush campaign that Carter would launch an ‘October Surprise’ that would win him the election.

“Where and when did the key meetings take place? According to many sources, the major meetings involving Casey and high-level Iranians were in Madrid in July and August, where the outline of an agreement was struck, and again in Paris in October, where the terms were made final. There were probably a number of other meetings in Europe involving arms dealers, Americans, and Israelis between August and October sessions….

“What was the nature of the agreement? It evolved over time, but the essence of the arrangement from the start was for Iran to hand the hostages over to the Republicans (rather than to Jimmy Carter) in return for some arms immediately (via Israel) plus the promise of future arms and political benefits once the Reagan administration came into office….

“Was the Carter administration aware of these contacts? No. In retrospect, there was evidence that something was afoot, but it never occurred to White House officials that a party out of power would attempt to undercut the legitimate government in an important negotiation affecting the lives of fifty-two Americans.

“Was the bargain kept by both sides? Arms began flowing to Iran from Israel well before the election, including a planeload of badly needed tires for Iran’s U.S.-built jet fighters that was delivered in spite of protests from the Carter administration. After agreeing at the last minute to settlement terms that were financially harmful to themselves, Iranian officials released the hostages minutes after President Reagan took the oath of office. Almost immediately thereafter, the flow of arms to Iran intensified.” — Gary Sick, October Surprise: America’s Hostages in Iran and the Election of Ronald Reagan (new York: Random House, 1991), 10-12.

“On the Reagan team, a certain impatience held sway….[An intermediary] received phone calls at my office from Americans saying, ‘I am calling on behalf of Mr. Reagan. We would like to discuss the hostage problem.’ I instructed him to answer: ‘The president is dealing with this problem at the intergovernmental level, and, to the best of our knowledge, Mr. Carter is the head of the United States government until January 20. We will only negotiate through official channels and not over the telephone with people who say they represent Reagan.” — Abol Hassan Bani-Sadr, My Turn to Speak: Iran, the Revolution, and the Secret Deals with the U.S. (New York: Brassey’s Inc., 1989), 45.

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« Reply #278 on: September 15, 2008, 11:00:31 PM »
Conspiracy theory only.  Now take the test and be honest.  I was all  for McCain except on immigration and they will both sell us out on that issue.  Come on, it from the MSM.

http://abcnews.go.com/politics/MatchoMatic/fullpage?id=5542139

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« Reply #280 on: September 16, 2008, 01:53:33 AM »
Obama idiotically gaffes on Good Morning America
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5803765&page=1 ^

What a doofus!

He's giving Biden a run for his money!

"If we're going to ask questions about, you know, who has been promulgating negative ads that are completely unrelated to the issues at hand, I think I win that contest pretty handily," Obama said.

What Obama apparently meant was that McCain, not Obama, has put out more negative ads.


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« Reply #281 on: September 17, 2008, 01:28:41 AM »
Barack Obama (D)
Top Contributors
This table lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2008 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organization's PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.

Because of contribution limits, organizations that bundle together many individual contributions are often among the top donors to presidential candidates. These contributions can come from the organization's members or employees (and their families). The organization may support one candidate, or hedge its bets by supporting multiple candidates. Groups with national networks of donors - like EMILY's List and Club for Growth - make for particularly big bundlers.

Goldman Sachs  $691,930
University of California  $611,207
Citigroup Inc  $448,599
JPMorgan Chase & Co  $442,919
Harvard University  $435,769
Google Inc  $420,174
UBS AG  $404,750
National Amusements Inc  $389,140
Microsoft Corp  $377,235
Lehman Brothers  $370,524
Sidley Austin LLP  $350,302
Moveon.org  $347,463
Skadden, Arps et al  $340,264
Time Warner  $338,527
Wilmerhale Llp  $335,398
Morgan Stanley  $318,070
Latham & Watkins  $297,400
Jones Day  $289,476
University of Chicago  $278,885
Stanford University  $276,038

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

so much for change

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« Reply #282 on: September 17, 2008, 01:32:00 AM »
Barack Obama (D)
Industries
Top Industries
Many presidential candidates receive the bulk of their funds from the same industries and Washington-based interest groups that dominate giving to all federal politicians and parties. Beyond this, some candidates receive sizable amounts from industries that make up the economic base of their home state. From this table, you can get a flavor of which are the top industries giving to this politician.

Rank Industry Total
1 Lawyers/Law Firms $24,060,136
2 Retired $23,180,767
3 Education $10,375,038
4 Securities & Investment $9,873,356
5 Business Services $6,746,937
6 Real Estate $6,421,385
7 Health Professionals $5,852,212
8 Misc Business $5,411,083
9 TV/Movies/Music $5,161,298
10 Computers/Internet $4,258,226
11 Misc Finance $3,970,218
12 Civil Servants/Public Officials $3,850,719
13 Printing & Publishing $3,478,240
14 Democratic/Liberal $2,899,338
15 Other $2,097,412
16 Commercial Banks $2,081,809
17 Hospitals/Nursing Homes $1,681,256
18 Non-Profit Institutions $1,563,082
19 Construction Services $1,407,576
20 Insurance $1,290,434

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/indus.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

and again, so much for change. he has a fund raiser going on at almost $30k a plate with streisand singing there.

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« Reply #283 on: September 17, 2008, 02:31:48 AM »
Since you cite Open Secrets, let's pursue this a little ways.

Click here for summary data on Barack Obama

Click here for summary data on John McCain

Please note that Obama REFUSES to accept public funds (as in taxpayer money, surely you know) for his campaign. McCain originally said he wouldn't either, but has gone back on his word and is now returning checks to donors and asking them to send money instead for a fund to pay for the legal and accounting expenses necessary to comply with the public financing system. Will wonders never cease? Not only does the mega-millionaire want to campaign at the public's expense, he can also do those dastardly flip-flops.

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« Reply #284 on: September 17, 2008, 12:52:46 PM »
Barack Obama, Serial Flip-Flopper
June 23, 2008 09:29 AM ET | Bonnie Erbe | Permanent Link


Both presidential candidates spent the weekend trying to explain away recent policy reversals. The predominant question for voters this November may well become: Whose list of flip-flops is longer and more egregious?

From CNN.com:

Days after both men reversed course on major issues, the presidential campaigns of Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. John McCain spent much of Sunday's talk-show circuit working to ensure accusations of "flip-flopping" don't stick.

From where I sit, flip-flopping is an unbeatable addiction for Obama. For McCain, by comparison, it's an occasional foible.

The flip-flops preoccupying them right now are on acceptance of public financing for Obama and on offshore oil drilling for McCain.

McCain's policy change makes sense given changed circumstances. Obama's is based purely on greed. McCain opposed offshore oil drilling before but now says it should be pursued off the Florida coast. I don't support his new position. America should be promoting alternative energy sources, not drilling for more oil. But given the run-up in oil prices, one can understand McCain's change of heart.

Obama's flip-flop, on the other hand, is purely about self-interest. He promised to accept public financing before he knew he could raise more money from donors. Now that he can raise twice as much from donors as Uncle Sam would give him if he forswore private donations, of course he's pursuing the bigger bucks. What's more troubling is Obama's list of flip-flops is so limitless, he's beginning to sound like he tailors his position to whichever audience he's addressing at the moment. When he spoke to an AIPAC meeting a couple of weeks back, he said he supports Israeli control of Jerusalem. The next day, trying to placate angry Arab supporters, Obama said "negotiators" should work out the contentious Jerusalem issue.

As a New York Post editorial observed:

• He [Obama] ripped Hillary Clinton for months for voting to list Iran's Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization. Days after Clinton conceded, Obama flipped and said he supported the definition.

• Obama repeatedly vowed to meet with various heads of terror states—most notably Ahmadinejad of Iran—"without preconditions." Then, with the nomination in sight, he zigzagged: "There's no reason why we would necessarily meet with Ahmadinejad. He's not the most powerful person in Iran."

• In October, he supported NAFTA expansion. In March, campaigning in the Ohio primary, he called for a "reopening" of the trade pact's terms. This week, he called his own primary rhetoric "overheated" and said NAFTA has had a positive effect on the US economy.

• Yesterday, after signaling opposition to nuclear power, he told Democratic governors he's open to expanding it."

There are many, many other examples, some of which I've noted in prior posts. Change we can believe in? No, change we can count on, because as soon as he takes a position, we can count on the fact he's going to change it in front of the next audience.

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http://www.usnews.com/blogs/erbe/2008/6/23/barack-obama-serial-flip-flopper.html

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« Reply #286 on: September 20, 2008, 04:03:24 PM »
If he wins he will be the first president sworn in with his hand on the Quran.. Odd at best..

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« Reply #287 on: September 20, 2008, 04:22:30 PM »
If he wins he will be the first president sworn in with his hand on the Quran.. Odd at best..

Odd at best for sure if it happens. 

The Presidential oath of office is described in Article II, section 1 of the Constitution:

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."


There isn't a provision requiring holding one's hand on anything.  It has though been accepted as tradition with the Bible being the standard from the beginning.  Not necessarily the KJV though - George Washington swore in on the Masonic Bible.
 
That being said, the separation of church and state is the primary drive behind the way the oath was written. 
 
On a more obvious note, Islam is a theocratic system.  Religion and government are one in the same.  That part worries me personally.  IF he does win, and swear in on the Koran, he is obviously expressing his obligation to a system that is 180 degrees away from the constitution and country he is taking charge of.  And his allegience beyond that point will certainly be to another order. 
 
Britain's announcement last week allowing Sharia law into their system just blew me away.  Are we really next?
"In order to be a leader of men, a man has to receive an education in his own country, among his own people, and to grow up in surroundings steeped with the traditions and psychology of his countrymen.  Not only did Western education not fulfill that condition, but it tended to wean a young man from the traditions and customs of his country."

King Abdulaziz ibn Saud...circa 1930
Cited by Ronald Lacey in "The Kingdom:  Arabia and the House of Saud"

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« Reply #288 on: September 20, 2008, 04:32:37 PM »
If we are, then:
SATURDAY

As you may already know, it is a sin for a
Muslim male to see any woman other than his wife naked. He
must commit suicide if he does. So next Saturday at 4 PM
Eastern Time, all American women are asked to walk out of
their house completely naked to help weed out any
neighborhood terrorists. Circling your block for one hour
is recommended for this anti-terrorist effort.

All patriotic men are to position themselves in lawn chairs
in front of their house to prove they are not Muslims, and
to demonstrate they think its okay to see nude women other
than their wife, and to show support for all American
women. Since Islam also does not approve of alcohol, a cold
6-pack at your side is further proof of your anti-Muslim
sentiment.

The American government appreciates your efforts to
root out terrorists and applauds your participation in this
anti-terrorist activity. God bless America!

It is your patriotic duty to pass this on. If you
don't send this to at least 5 people you're a
terrorist sympathizing lily-livered coward and are in the
position of posing as a national threat!

On a more serious note, I don't think anyone had better let that happen.



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« Reply #289 on: September 22, 2008, 12:36:23 PM »
  A pilot's perspective on Obama!


       ,,,,,,,,,,DO I HAVE THIS STRAIGHT?

HIS FATHER WAS A BLACK AFRICAN MUSLIM FROM KENYA
WE HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF HIS AFRICAN FAMILY.

HIS MOTHER WAS A WHITE AMERICAN ATHEIST FROM KANSAS
WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF HIS AMERICAN FAMILY?

HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER WHEN HE WAS ONLY TWO YEARS OLD AND WENT BACK TO AFRICA BY WAY OF HARVARD UNIVERSITY      HOW?  WAS HIS FATHER WEALTHY?

HIS MOTHER MARRIED AN INDONESIAN MUSLIM AND THEN MOVED TO JAKARTA WHERE HE WAS ENROLLED IN A MUSLIM SCHOOL .

WHEN HE REACHED HIGH SCHOOL AGE HIS MOTHER SENT HIM TO HAWAII TO BE WITH HIS WHITE GRANDPARENTS AND HE WAS PUT INTO AN EXPENSIVE PRIVATE SCHOOL.  HE LATER WENT TO HARVARD UNIVERSITY      HOW?  WERE HIS GRANDPARENTS RICH?

HE LIVES IN A $1.4 MILLION HOUSE OBTAINED THROUGH A DEAL WITH A WEALTHY FUNDRAISER.    HOW?

HE 'WORKED' AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST IN CHICAGO .  HE HAS NEVER HELD A PRODUCTIVE JOB OR RECEIVED A PAY CHECK THAT WAS NOT GOVERNMENT-FUNDED AND/OR TAYPAYER SUPPORTED.

THE PRESIDENCY IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS POSITION, NOR IS IT SUBJECT TO AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SET ASIDES;  ON-THE-JOB TRAINING WON'T CUT IT.

HE ENTERED POLITICS AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THEN THE NATIONAL LEVEL WHERE HE HAS MINIMAL EXPERIENCE.

HE IS PROUD OF HIS 'AFRICAN HERITAGE'  (A FATHER WHO GOT A WHITE GIRL PREGNANT AND DESERTED HER).

WHERE IS THE PRIDE IN HIS 'WHITE HERITAGE'? (A MOTHER WHO FLAUNTED CONVENTION AND DID NOT BELIEVE IN GOD).

SOME MIGHT THINK THERE WAS NOT  MUCH TO BE PROUD OF EITHER WAY

HE BELONGS, AND HAS BELONGED FOR OVER 20 YEARS, TO AN 'AFRO-CENTRIC' CHURCH IN CHICAGO THAT HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND BLAMES AMERICA FOR ALL THE WORLD'S PERCEIVED FAULTS.  (INCLUDING CREATING THE AIDs VIRUS IN ORDER TO INFLICT IT ON AFRICANS).

HE REPEATEDLY WHITEWASHES THE PASTOR, HIS CHURCH AND THE MEMBERS WHO CHEERED AFTER HEARING VITRIOLIC TIRADES AGAINST AMERICA .

HE COULD NOT CONFRONT HIS PASTOR BUT HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE HE CAN CONFRONT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN ?
                               YEAH  RIGHT ! !

DURING HIS VERY BRIEF TIME IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE HE HAS MANAGED TO AMASS THE NUMBER ONE ULTRA LIBERAL VOTING RECORD OUT OF THE ONE HUNDRED MEMBERS.

HE HAS VOTED CONSISTENTLY FOR BIGGER GOVERNMENT AND HIGHER TAXES.  HE HAS VOTED FOR BIG ENTITLEMENTS AND LEGISLATION THAT WOULD SEVERELY CURTAIL AMERICA 'S ABILITY TO FIGHT TERRORISM AND TO PROTECT OUR BORDERS AND OUR NATIONAL INTERESTS AROUND THE WORLD.

BUT,  HE IS A GOOD ORATOR.  ISN'T THAT A COMFORT?

YEAH,  I THINK I SEE HOW WELL HE COULD UNITE THE COUNTRY.

I THINK THE TRUTH IS THAT HE HOPES NO ONE WILL PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,   LET ME INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR NEW CHIEF PILOT. HE HAS NEVER FLOWN AN AIRPLANE,  IN FACT HE HAS NEVER EVEN SAT IN THE COCKPIT, BUT HE SAYS HE HAS RIDDEN ON PLANES BEFORE. WE ARE SURE HE WILL GUIDE US SAFELY THROUGH THE STORMS WE MAY ENCOUNTER ON THIS FLIGHT.

 PEOPLE WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD THE STORY ABOUT THE WOLF HIDING IN SHEEP'S  CLOTHING  SO HE CAN DESTROY THEM FROM WITH-IN ? THE HAND WRITING IS ON THE WALL, DO YOU NOT HAVE EYES TO SEE IT ?

THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE YOU VOTE FOR THIS GUY!  CONSIDER YOUR KIDS & GRANDKIDS
THEIR FUTURE IS IN OUR VOTING HANDS.

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« Reply #290 on: September 22, 2008, 02:29:34 PM »
matrs....you would think it would open eyes wouldn't you. Some people are so blinded by his "brilliance" they can't see the truth.
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« Reply #291 on: September 23, 2008, 12:29:55 AM »
nobama is losing ground,people are looking close to see through the crap. he keeps changing his motto to what he thinks will sell. people aren't buying it.

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« Reply #292 on: September 23, 2008, 09:26:09 AM »
matrs....you would think it would open eyes wouldn't you. Some people are so blinded by his "brilliance" they can't see the truth.

We are just so disgusted by everyones ignorance, that we choose not to fret over the little things. I'd rather have a person who had to work hard to achieve his status, than one that had it served to him on a silver platter.
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« Reply #293 on: September 23, 2008, 12:41:05 PM »
that's why I support mccain,he knows what work is and most importantly, the cost of freedom.
 
nobama is nothing but a conman.

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« Reply #294 on: September 23, 2008, 02:12:08 PM »
You don't think attending military school, fighting for your country and being held prisoner is "working hard?"  He got lucky and married a rich woman but before that he worked hard.  Plus he has been a Senator for a very long time unlike Obama.  Obama has never had a "job." And if I see him do his "pimp" walk one more time I'm gonna puke. 
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« Reply #295 on: September 23, 2008, 03:05:33 PM »
They have already made up their minds.  don't try to confuse them with any facts.  There was another great orator (of course, he didn't have a tele-prompter) in Germany in 1939.  He took over his country and we all know what happened.  If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.  That should be Nobama's motto.

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« Reply #296 on: September 23, 2008, 04:23:09 PM »
I agree.

Have you heard the rumor that Biden might be dropping out because of "health" issues.  I think he has become a liabilty and I think Obama thinks he made a mistake by not picking Hillary.  If that would happen then I believe the election would be sealed for Obama.  Pray for Biden's "health."
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« Reply #297 on: September 23, 2008, 04:26:17 PM »
All you do is troll for lies to support your racist views.

Go ahead and say it.

No black muslim should be running the US, even if he's elected.
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« Reply #298 on: September 23, 2008, 04:41:23 PM »
You don't think attending military school, fighting for your country and being held prisoner is "working hard?"  He got lucky and married a rich woman but before that he worked hard.  Plus he has been a Senator for a very long time unlike Obama.  Obama has never had a "job." And if I see him do his "pimp" walk one more time I'm gonna puke.

 
He got into military school because of who is father and grandfather was. He skated on thin ice through that. He was nearly at the bottom of his class when he graduated. In the military, he spent 1/4 of his service in some "hotel" they keep speaking about. While his battle buddies were out doing missions, he was living it up in some "hotel". If that isn't posh, I don't know what is.
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« Reply #299 on: September 23, 2008, 04:42:50 PM »
Are you insane?
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