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Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
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ELDORADO, Texas (AP) -- Child welfare officials are scrambling to find foster homes for dozens of girls removed from a secretive West Texas religious retreat built by polygamist leader Warren Jeffs after a 16-year-old living there complained of physical abuse.Officials from Texas Child Protective Services, escorted by state troopers, took 52 girls, ages 6 months to 17 years, from the remote retreat on Friday afternoon.By the end of the day, 18 were put legally into state custody, and CPS spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner said interviews would continue Saturday. A warrant has been issued for at least one individual.The girls put in state custody were believed to be in danger, Meisner said. "Those are the ones we believe have been abused or they are in imminent risk of harm, and it would not be safe for those children to remain in the compound," she said.Child welfare officials were looking for foster homes for the girls, most of whom have rarely been outside the insular world of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. They were being housed for now at a civic center, she said."We're dealing with children that aren't accustomed to the outside world, so we're trying to be very sensitive to their needs," Meisner said.The investigation began with a call Monday alleging physical abuse of a 16-year-old girl living there, Meisner said. Authorities first arrived at the compound Thursday evening. They interviewed and searched through the night.On Friday, a search warrant and arrest warrant were issued.The search warrant sought records dealing with the birth of children to a 16-year-old and any records listing a marriage between a 50-year-old man and the girl, according to the San Angelo Standard-Times, which cited court records released late Friday in Tom Green County.The individual listed in the arrest warrant had not been located by Friday evening, said Department of Public Safety spokeswoman Tela Mange. She said she could not reveal whose name was on the warrant.The ranch covers roughly 1,700 acres. It is north of this two-stoplight town, down a narrow paved road. Authorities blocked access to the compound's gate, keeping onlookers miles away.State officials said they did not know how many people lived at the retreat, but local officials in 2006 put the number at about 150, as members of the reclusive church moved from a community on the Arizona-Utah line.The congregation, known as FLDS, has been led by Jeffs since his father's death in 2002. It is one of several groups that split from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, based in Salt Lake City, decades after it renounced polygamy in 1890.In November, Jeffs was sentenced to two consecutive sentences of five years to life in prison in Utah for being an accomplice to the rape of a 14-year-old girl who wed her cousin in an arranged marriage in 2001.In Arizona, Jeffs is charged as an accomplice with four counts each of incest and sexual conduct with a minor stemming from two arranged marriages between teenage girls and their older male relatives. He is jailed in Kingman, Ariz., awaiting trial.The Eldorado retreat, about 160 miles northwest of San Antonio, is on a former exotic game ranch. The church bought the property in 2004 for $700,000 and began an ambitious construction program anchored by an 80-foot-tall, gleaming white temple.
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Re: 52 Girls Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2008, 10:55:44 PM »
Nearly 200 Taken From Texas Compound

ELDORADO, Texas (AP) -- Child welfare officials have now removed nearly 200 women and children from a secretive West Texas religious retreat built by polygamist leader Warren Jeffs, authorities said Saturday.

The investigation began after a 16-year-old living there complained of physical abuse. A search warrant authorized state troopers to enter the retreat run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and look for evidence of a marriage between the girl and a 50-year-old man.

The warrant said the girl had a baby eight months ago, when she was 15.

State Child Protective Services on Friday removed 52 girls from the compound. Marleigh Meisner, a spokeswoman for the agency, said that another 131 residents were removed overnight and that by Saturday afternoon 137 children and 46 women were being housed and interviewed.

"They seem to be doing fine," Meisner said. Four investigators remained inside the polygamist compound looking for additional children.

The whereabouts of the young mother who sparked the investigation are unknown, Meisner said.

State troopers who raided the religious retreat were looking for the girl, her baby girl and 50-year-old Dale Barlow. Under Texas law, girls younger than 16 cannot marry, even with parental approval.

Barlow had not been found by Friday night, officials said then. They declined to comment Saturday, saying a state judge had issued a gag order.

The search warrant instructed officers to look for marriage records or other evidence linking the girl to Barlow and the baby. The warrant authorized the seizure of computer drives, CDs, DVDs or photos.

Those inside the retreat did not respond to requests for comment.

The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints broke away from the Mormon church after the latter disavowed polygamy more than a century ago.

State law enforcers declined to comment Saturday, saying a judge had issued a gag order, and the local sheriff did not return calls.

The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints broke away from the Mormon church after the latter disavowed polygamy more than a century ago.

The compound sits down a narrow paved road and behind a hill that shields it almost entirely from view in town. Only the 80-foot-high gleaming white temple can be seen on the horizon. Authorities blocked access to the gate, keeping onlookers miles away.

The 1,700-acre property had been an exotic game ranch. It is surrounded by dusty, wind-swept land where sheep are raised and mohair produced.

Eldorado (pronounced el-dor-AY'-do) is a two-stoplight town of fewer than 2,000 people nearly 200 miles northwest of San Antonio. It consists of a cluster of government buildings, a couple of churches and a few blocks of houses.

State officials said they did not know how many people lived at the retreat, although local officials estimated about 150 two years ago.

The group, known by the acronym FLDS, has been led by Jeffs since his father died in 2002. In November, Jeffs was sentenced to two consecutive sentences of five years to life in prison in Utah for being an accomplice to the rape of a 14-year-old girl who wed her cousin in an arranged marriage in 2001.

In Arizona, Jeffs is charged as an accomplice with four counts each of incest and sexual conduct with a minor stemming from two arranged marriages between teenage girls and their older male relatives. He is jailed in Kingman, Ariz., awaiting trial.

The San Angelo Standard-Times reported that children were being kept at a community center and a Baptist church in Eldorado.

The owner of the Sutton County Steak House in nearby Sonora fed the children dinner on Friday and breakfast on Saturday, owner Linda Love told The San Angelo Standard-Times.

"They're singing songs. So happy and sweet and precious. It's heart-breaking," Love said.

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Re: Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2008, 05:15:33 PM »
The man accused by a 16 year old girl has turned himself in to authorities in Utah.
He and several alibies claim he has not been in Texas since 1977.
They haven't even found the girl who made the original phone call.
Something is not right here...
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Re: Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2008, 06:27:23 PM »
hmmmmm......they can't find a 16 year old , who gave birth to a child......the man whom allegedly raped/married her wasn't even there? Why does this sound like a big set up? The owner is doing time, and all that property just sitting there waiting for someone to take it over.....they don't want to build a highway through there do they?
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Re: Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2008, 07:27:26 PM »
They can at least be thankful the FBI didn't set the place on fire and kill them all.
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Re: Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2008, 03:38:51 AM »
SAN ANGELO, Texas - Texas officials who took 416 children from a polygamist retreat into state custody sent many of their mothers away Monday, as a judge and lawyers struggled with a legal and logistical morass in one of the biggest child-custody cases in U.S. history.

Of the 139 women who voluntarily left the compound with their children since an April 3 raid, only those with children 4 or younger were allowed to continue staying with them, said Marissa Gonzales, spokeswoman for the state Children's Protective Services agency. She did not know how many women stayed.

"It is not the normal practice to allow parents to accompany the child when an abuse allegation is made," Gonzales said.

The women were given a choice: Return to the Eldorado ranch of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, a renegade Mormon sect, or go to another safe location. Some women chose the latter, Gonzales said.

The state is accusing the sect of physically and sexually abusing the youngsters and wants to strip their parents of custody and place the children in foster care or put them up for adoption. The sheer size of the case was an obstacle.

"Quite frankly, I'm not sure what we're going to do," Texas District Judge Barbara Walther said after a conference that included three to four dozen attorneys either representing or hoping to represent youngsters.

The mothers were taken away Monday after they and the children were taken by bus under heavy security out of historic Fort Concho, where they had been staying, to the San Angelo Coliseum, which holds nearly 5,000 people and is used for hockey games, rodeos and concerts. The polygamist retreat is about 45 miles south of San Angelo.

Mothers complain kids getting sick
Authorities ordered the children to be moved after some of the youngsters' mothers complained to Gov. Rick Perry that the children were getting sick in the crowded fort.

About 20 children had a mild case of chicken pox, said Dr. Sandra Guerra-Cantu with the state Health Department.

Perry spokesman Robert Black said the governor did not believe the children were being housed in poor conditions at the West Texas fort. "Let's be honest here, this is not the Ritz," Black said, but he called the accommodations "clean and neat."

Monday's courtroom conference was held to work out the ground rules for a court hearing beginning Thursday on the fate of the children.

The judge made no immediate decisions on how the hearing will be carried out. Among the questions left unanswered: Would a courtroom big enough to hold everyone be available at the Tom Green County Courthouse, or would some kind of video link be employed?

Texas bar officials said more than 350 lawyers from across the state have volunteered to represent the children free of charge. Moreover, the 139 mothers who voluntarily left the sect to be with their children may hire lawyers, too, to help them fight for custody.

The sheer numbers left the judge perplexed as she considered suggestions from the lawyers for how to handle Thursday's hearing.

"It would seem inefficient to have a witness testify 416 times," the judge offered. "If I gave everybody five minutes, that would be 70 hours."

In an unintended illustration of the problem, Walther gave the lawyers 30 minutes to break into groups and report back to her with ideas. It took almost two hours for everyone to reassemble.

The raid followed a call to a domestic violence hot line from a 16-year-old girl who said she was beaten and raped by her 50-year-old husband.

In addition to becoming a monumental legal morass, the case is proving to be a public-relations headache for the state.

Over the weekend, some of the mothers went on the offensive, complaining the children are falling ill and are frightened and traumatized from living in cramped conditions at the fort, with cots, cribs and playpens lined up side by side.

The secretive nature of the sect — and the indoctrination children receive from birth to mistrust outsiders — have added to the confusion. Randoll Stout, one of the lawyers who plan to represent some of the children, said the youngsters "seem to change their names. Adults change their names. Children are passed around."

Lawyers said the state told the mothers that if they leave the shelters where their children are being held, they will not be let back in. Griselda Paz of Legal Aid of Northwest Texas said she had never seen such restrictions in 20 years of legal work.

"By isolating them, by not letting them talk to their lawyers or giving them the choice between leaving their children and being able to talk to lawyers and prepare for this hearing, they feel that that's unfair," said Parker, the FLDS lawyer, who has represented the church and some of its members in civil and criminal cases. "And of course they are out of their element, they're frightened of all those things."

Betty Balli Torres, executive director of the Texas Access to Justice Foundation, said it is vital that the mothers be represented by lawyers. Otherwise, they could lose their children — "what we call kind of the death penalty of family law cases."

She said 10 women went into the San Angelo legal aid office last week seeking help and reported there were 100 more women who needed lawyers. Attorneys began meeting with the women over the weekend.

Men want women, children back
A church lawyer, Rod Parker, said the 60 or so men remaining on the 1,700-acre ranch have offered to leave the compound if the state would allow the women and children to return to the place with child welfare monitors. But the state Children's Protective Services agency said it had not yet seen the offer and had no comment on it.

The sect practices polygamy in arranged marriages between underage girls and older men. The group has thousands of followers in two side-by-side towns in Arizona and Utah. The sect's prophet and spiritual leader, Warren Jeffs, is in prison for forcing an underage age into a marriage in Utah.

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Re: Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2008, 12:32:45 PM »
If the "mothers" knowingly let their little daughters be raped and molested from the age of 11 or so, then really, they SHOULD lose their children.
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Re: Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2008, 05:25:01 AM »
SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) -- Many of the children have seen little or no television. They have been essentially home-schooled all their lives. Most were raised on garden-grown vegetables and twice-daily prayers with family. They frolic in long dresses and buttoned-up shirts from another century. They are unfailingly polite.

The 437 children taken from the polygamist compound in West Texas are being scattered to group homes and boys' and girls' ranches across the state, plunged into a culture radically different from the community where they and their families shunned the outside world as a hostile, contaminating influence on their godly way of life.

The state Child Protective Services program said it chose foster homes where the youngsters can be kept apart from other children for now.

"We recognize it's critical that these children not be exposed to mainstream culture too quickly or other things that would hinder their success," agency spokeswoman Shari Pulliam said. "We just want to protect them from abuse and neglect. We're not trying to change them."

The children were swept up in a raid earlier this month on the Yearning for Zion Ranch run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a renegade Mormon splinter group that believes in marrying teen girls to older men. State child-welfare authorities said there was evidence of physical and sexual abuse at the ranch.

The youngsters are being moved out of the crowded San Angelo Coliseum and will be placed in 16 temporary facilities around Texas -- some as far away as Houston, 500 miles off -- until individual custody hearings can be held.

Those hearings could result in a number of possibilities: Some children could be placed in permanent foster care; some parents who have left the sect may win custody; some youngsters may be allowed to return to the ranch in Eldorado; and some may turn 18 before the case is complete and will be allowed to choose their own fates.

Several attorneys for FLDS children called Wednesday for custody cases to be spread out among family law courts across Texas -- venue changes that, they acknowledged, would likely require authorization from the Texas Supreme Court.

"It's one court that's bogged down with 437 children. There is no possible way that my client's needs ... can be addressed in a timely fashion," said attorney Laura Shockley at a Dallas news conference.

Children raised on the FLDS compound wear pioneer-style dress and keep their hair pinned up in braids, reflecting their standards of modesty. For the same reason, they have little knowledge of pop culture. They pray twice a day. They tend vegetable gardens and raise dairy cows, and eat fresh food. And they are exceedingly polite, always saying "please" and "thank you."

In contrast, many other children in foster care have a certain worldly swagger, and are there because they have used drugs or committed other crimes.

Experts and lawyers say foster care will change the sect children.

"These children who have lived in a very insular culture and are suddenly thrust into mainstream culture. There's going to be problems," said Susan Hays, who represents a toddler in the custody case. "They are a throwback to the 19th century in how they dress and how they behave."

Ken Driggs, an Atlanta, Georgia, lawyer who has long studied and written about the FLDS, said if kept away from their parents' culture long enough, the children may begin to emulate those around them.

Pulliam said the temporary foster care facilities have been briefed on the children's needs. "We're not going to have them in tank tops and shorts," she said.

Authorities will try to obtain the youngsters' traditional clothing from their parents, and also arrange for visits from some of the adults, state attorney Gary Banks said.

In addition, CPS has sent instructions to the foster homes to feed the youngsters fresh fruits and vegetables, chicken, rice and other foods that may have been grown on the 1,700-acre ranch.

"They don't eat a lot of processed food and we're not going to encourage that," Pulliam said, but noted that if the children want to eat processed or junk food, no one is going to stop them.

Those who cling to the old traditions may pose another problem for the state -- they might run away. Driggs said polygamists' children have fled foster homes before because "they want to go home, and they want to go to people and circumstances they're used to."

The children have been educated in a schoolhouse on the compound using a home-school curriculum and may be ahead of public-school students their ages, lawyers said.

Hays and Pulliam said the children will continue to be home-schooled by the temporary foster-care providers instead of being thrown into big schools, where they could be bullied because of their differences.

While their diets, dress and prayers can be accommodated with a little planning, other experts said their emotional needs may be trickier to deal with.

Dr. Bruce Perry, a child psychiatrist who testified for the children last week, said FLDS children may be easily taken advantage of by outsiders because of the strict control church leaders have had over their daily lives.

People who have left the sect "felt emotionally incapable of decision-making," he said.
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Re: Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2008, 05:39:21 AM »
(CNN) -- One of the telephone numbers used to report claims of abuse at a polygamist sect's Texas ranch was previously associated with a Colorado woman whom authorities have named a "person of interest," a court document says.
The telephone calls in late March prompted authorities to raid the Yearning For Zion (YFZ) Ranch in Eldorado, Texas, where 437 children were removed.
The ranch is owned by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a Mormon offshoot that practices polygamy.
Rozita Swinton, 33, of Colorado Springs, Colorado, was arrested this month on a charge of making a false report to police.
 
 
The charge relates to an incident in February, but the Texas Rangers have said she is a person of interest in connection with the ranch calls.In the February incident, Swinton is accused of calling authorities using the names "Dana Anderson" and "April," reporting abuse by male relatives, according to an affidavit in support of an arrest warrant.Authorities have not clearly said that they think Swinton made the March phone calls that prompted the raid. But the affidavit says she is "known to make false reports of sexual abuse to the police and other agenciesCalls were made to a Texas family shelter March 29 and 30 from a female identifying herself as Sarah Barlow, the affidavit says. The caller said she was 16, had a baby about 8 months old and was pregnant again. She said that her 49-year-old husband was physically and sexually abusive toward her and that they were living at the YFZ Ranch.The phone calls were made from a prepaid cell phone with no available records, according to the affidavit. However, it has been used in other cases linked to Swinton, the document says.Although Texas officials said they have not found the woman who made the calls, they said they have found evidence that girls as young at 13 are forced into marriages with older men at the ranch. The FLDS has denied that any abuse takes place at the ranch.The woman identifying herself as Sarah Barlow also called a battered women's shelter in Snohomish County, Washington, using another phone number, the affidavit says. That phone number was traced to Swinton's address, the affidavit says.On April 10, the woman called the Washington shelter again and was put on the line with a Texas deputy. She said she felt that she would be punished for the trouble she had caused, was worried that her baby might be taken away and was angry with a woman she had contacted March 29 for prompting the raid by law enforcement.During that conversation, the affidavit says, the woman used terminology common to the FLDS, referring to her "sister wives," for instance.The phone number used in the Washington call was traced to the Colorado Springs apartment where Swinton lives, the affidavit says. The number was also used to call a Utah organization for women escaping polygamy and an abuse counseling center in Fort Myers, Florida, phone records showed.Swinton pleaded guilty to a charge of false reporting in June 2007 and was under a 12-month deferred sentence, the affidavit says.At a custody hearing last week, a Texas judge ruled that the state will temporarily retain custody of the 437 children removed in the raid.Meanwhile, on Tuesday evening, laboratory workers at San Angelo Coliseum completed taking DNA samples from mothers and children, said Janice Rolfe, a spokeswoman for the state attorney general's office.She did not say how many samples were taken.About 100 of the seized children from whom swab DNA samples had already been taken were bused Tuesday from the San Angelo Coliseum to group foster homes, the Texas Department of Health and Family Services said.On Wednesday, workers in Eldorado continued to take voluntary DNA samples from adults who live on the YFZ Ranch, Rolfe said.Rolfe said that at least 54 samples from adults have been taken there. The DNA samples will be sent to Laboratory Corporation of America, based in Burlington, North Carolina. It could take longer than a month to get results.Judge Barbara Walther, who last week ordered the DNA testing of the children and ordered that they remain in state custody, signed an order this week authorizing the children's move to foster care, officials said.At a meeting Wednesday afternoon, Walther and the state's Child Protective Services Division agreed that 18 mothers with breast-feeding babies that are 1 year old or younger will be allowed to stay with their children in the homes where the children are placed. Also, 23 mothers with 28 children ages 1 to 2 years will be allowed to stay in the same towns as their children.The remaining children, 2 to 18 years old, will be split up into available homes.The original order signed by Walther called for every effort to keep siblings together, especially in the case of small children.Rod Parker, a spokesman for the FLDS families, blasted the action in a news conference from his Salt Lake City, Utah, office."The CPS department of Texas is afraid of due process," he said. "They would lose in a fair fight in this case, and that is why you're seeing them move so quickly, and that is why you're seeing them move unilaterally."He said the court ignored motions asking that the children be placed with their relatives.The FLDS launched a Web site this week to promote its side of the issue. The site, captivefldschildren.com, contains photos and videos taken inside the ranch during the raid.
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Re: Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2008, 01:57:12 PM »
Child abuse is being committed by the State of Texas.
I say to Texas "Stop this Kidnapping, Free the Children now!"
It just ain't right

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Re: Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2008, 02:07:12 PM »
And the way they were being raised before was right? Should they send them back to the heart breaking conditions they were removed from?


Child abuse is being committed by the State of Texas.
I say to Texas "Stop this Kidnapping, Free the Children now!"
It just ain't right

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Re: Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2008, 02:16:07 PM »
Do we really know how they were being treated? There are alot of places that want to live outside what we live in. Kids going to school with guns, gaming systems, etc. They are living in a community that is like it was in the 1800's. Raise your food, families all living together, what they want to call clean living.

I'm not saying I condone girls getting married at 14, or however old they are in there.....but what is different than the girls ending up pregnant at 14, from another child of 15, and having to abort or raise it?

THEY say they are being forced into this, but have any of these girls (besides that one call) say they have been abused or raped? If you are brought up Catholic, and have sex outside of marriage, do you call it rape? There are too many questions to this situation.......
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Re: Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2008, 02:22:53 PM »
True


Do we really know how they were being treated? There are alot of places that want to live outside what we live in. Kids going to school with guns, gaming systems, etc. They are living in a community that is like it was in the 1800's. Raise your food, families all living together, what they want to call clean living.

I'm not saying I condone girls getting married at 14, or however old they are in there.....but what is different than the girls ending up pregnant at 14, from another child of 15, and having to abort or raise it?

THEY say they are being forced into this, but have any of these girls (besides that one call) say they have been abused or raped? If you are brought up Catholic, and have sex outside of marriage, do you call it rape? There are too many questions to this situation.......
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Re: Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2008, 02:25:17 PM »
I don't think a child of 14 or 15(or younger) should be having sex, but they do (with 14 and 15 year olds), but I don't think they would choose a partner that is in excess of 10 or so more years older than them,  I know I wouldn't have chosen a man over 50 as my first sexual partner(when you were 14 or 15), would any of you have?  I would call that rape.  The blame lies with the adult,  there are laws against it in this country and I am glad for it.  Let a kid be a kid.
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Re: Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2008, 03:34:34 PM »
The state of Texas overstepped their legal bounds and are trying to set a new legal president if this is not stopped.
No government should have the right to step in and remove all children from a community.
Guns would be blazing if they tried that in one of our small towns. If Texas gets away with this injustice what's next?? … go into Crocker or Richland or any other town and remove all the children from the parents based off of (right or not) one accusation?

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Re: Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2008, 03:50:44 PM »
The phone call that sent them there has been found to be fake. What legal rammifications will this have?
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Re: Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2008, 04:23:03 AM »


I guess for future cases they'll have to research such calls much more --- but what of this case?
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Re: Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2008, 04:53:17 AM »
ELDORADO, Texas (AP) -- Texas child welfare authorities returned to a polygamous sect's ranch Wednesday in search of children who may have arrived since more than 460 minors living on the property were swept into state custody last month.

Guy Jessop, a guard at the main gate of the dusty ranch run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, greeted two Child Protective Service workers who were accompanied by a sheriff's deputy. The child welfare agents asked whether they could enter the ranch to look for more children.

Jessop denied them access. The child welfare agency could seek a court order to force ranch residents to allow officials in; a search warrant is for criminal matters, which the agency doesn't investigate.

Child welfare spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner would not comment publicly on whether the agency would seek a court order. She said workers went to make initial inquiries and were conferring with law enforcers about how to proceed. Any children on the Yearning For Zion Ranch would have arrived after the raid in April, she said.

FLDS elder Willie Jessop said he wasn't certain whether children were on the 1,700-acre ranch. He added that if there were, they would have arrived with parents who came to comfort relatives after the April raid, which was conducted with a search warrant.

The children were taken because state officials say the sect forces underage girls into marriage and sex. FLDS members deny any abuse.

Willie Jessop said ranch residents would allow authorities to investigate any legitimate claims of abuse. He briefly spoke to a sheriff's deputy who came back Wednesday evening and left again without searching the premises.

"If they have an honest complaint, we'll be honest, but we were lied to," said Willie Jessop, noting that authorities have never produced the alleged teenage girl whose allegations of abuse led to the raid and the removal of all sect children.

Few people were out on the ranch property Wednesday afternoon when Willie Jessop allowed journalists to enter. One woman in a lavender prairie dress was gardening in front of one of the sprawling log cabin-style homes. Another man was moving cows around the ranch's dairy.

The school house, where hundreds of FLDS children now in foster care once attended class, was empty. Calendars there still displayed the month of April, when the raid occurred, and photos of the sect's jailed prophet Warren Jeffs were in every room.

Willie Jessop, after talking to agency officials, predicted CPS would return after the dozens of journalists, who raced 40 miles to the ranch from FLDS custody hearings in San Angelo, left Eldorado.

"They are extremely bothered with the fact y'all are here," he said.

Agency spokesmen did not return calls from The Associated Press on Wednesday afternoon.

In San Angelo, child custody hearings for the children taken in the raid six weeks ago completed their third day. Five judges have been conducting what is expected to be three weeks of hearings on what the parents must do to regain custody of their children.

The custody case, one of the largest in U.S. history, has been marked by chaos from the beginning. So far, at least eight mothers initially put into foster care as underage girls have been reclassified as adults, significantly eroding the state's initial count of 31 underage mothers. Others were expected to be reclassified as adults in coming days.

The sect children, ranging from infants to teenagers, were removed en masse from the ranch during an April 3 raid that began after someone called a domestic abuse hot line claiming to be a pregnant abused teenage wife. The girl has not been found and authorities are investigating whether the calls were a hoax.

On Wednesday, sect members requested 500 to 600 voter registration cards from Schleicher County, something they had not done in the five years since the 1,700-acre ranch was transformed from a small game ranch to a $20.5 million self-contained community with houses, a school, a dairy, wood shops, gardens and an enormous gleaming white temple.

"As residents of the state, we have to take responsibility for part of this," said Willie Jessop. "We were naive enough to believe there was good people in government to protect our rights."

Schleicher County has an estimated 2,800 residents, and the FLDS property is the third-biggest taxpayer in the rural ranching county, accounting for roughly 18 percent of its tax base. But county officials have had no role in the raid, aside from sheriff's deputies assisting state law enforcement.

The FLDS, which teaches that polygamy brings glorification in heaven, is a breakaway of the Mormon church, which renounced polygamy more than a century ago. Members contend they are being persecuted by state officials for their religious beliefs.

Jeffs, who is revered as a prophet, is serving a prison sentence for a Utah conviction of being accomplice to rape in the marriage of a 14-year-old girl to a 19-year-old sect member. He awaits trial in Arizona on similar charges.

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Re: Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2008, 07:48:03 PM »
Can you spell S-U-E?

SAN ANGELO, Texas - A Texas appeals court said Thursday that the state had no right to take more than 400 children from a polygamist sect's ranch, a ruling that could unravel one of the biggest child-custody cases in U.S. history.
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Re: Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2008, 08:28:06 PM »
Can you spell S-U-E?

SAN ANGELO, Texas - A Texas appeals court said Thursday that the state had no right to take more than 400 children from a polygamist sect's ranch, a ruling that could unravel one of the biggest child-custody cases in U.S. history.

Can't sue them for doing their job based on what they believed to be a credible complaint.
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Re: Over 400 Removed From Texas Compound
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2008, 08:37:52 PM »
We'll have to watch how this plays out, but someone will have to pay for their attorneys, etc.  How would you like it if someone put you in a foster home and wouldn't believe that you are 19 or 20 and then separated you from your baby regardless of who the father is?  This will get ugly. 
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