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Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« on: July 12, 2008, 02:43:45 AM »

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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2008, 12:21:30 PM »
Why would we re-elect someone who sued us (the county)?  Mr. Robert's is coming across as desperate to me.
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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2008, 02:41:50 PM »
I was at the Community Center event last night.  After all the candidates were done speaking they were given time to answer some questions.  One of those questions was addressed to all those running for Sheriff.  The question was about getting along and working together with the Commissioners.  I was shocked when J.T. Roberts said he always got along with and worked well with the Commissioners during his terms as Sheriff. 

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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2008, 03:46:02 PM »
I was at the Community Center event last night.  After all the candidates were done speaking they were given time to answer some questions.  One of those questions was addressed to all those running for Sheriff.  The question was about getting along and working together with the Commissioners.  I was shocked when J.T. Roberts said he always got along with and worked well with the Commissioners during his terms as Sheriff. 


 He was maybe refering to the time frame just before he sued them!   
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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2008, 03:50:12 PM »
Or right before Carmack said he would no longer attend commission meetings because he was afraid for his life.
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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2008, 04:31:41 PM »
That was right after he an york decided to close the western district road shed and put all the equipment in the eastern district.

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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2008, 04:40:56 PM »
Man, I wanted to stay out of this and I have been quite about these races, but I must correct these last two post. First of all that was a greatly incorrect story caused by a newspaper reporter, not Darrell, way before he was here. She was sensationalizing a statement incorrectly and she never put the correct statement in the paper. This helped defeat me later as Farnham used this shamelessly against me in the 2004 election. All I told her (the reporter that day) is I will not attend a couple of meetings until I hire a couple of lawyers (I falsely accused of a crime by a newspaper, not the Daily Guide and 4 other politicians), and I was hiring a local attorney and a hot shot one from Chicago, in case this continued. I returned as soon as I had talked to these attorneys. The few meetings I missed I worked the same hours driving the roads and with the men. Although I recorded that, it of course never made the papers.  Cowboy, I saved the split you refer to. After talking to some people and listening to some people I very much respect, I changed my vote. I was never given credit for that.

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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2008, 04:49:16 PM »
And Cowboy, you have the story incorrect, Harold wanted to Centralize and have one main shed to save money and time. His premise was well-intended and honest. After talking to some experts in the field I changed my vote, which I regret really offended Harold...but I did the right thing, I thought. Harold meant well, I just simply disagreed with him. So, though Dennis was given credit, I saved the having two sheds because without my vote Dennis would have lost.  BY-the-way, I have no hard feelings with JT. He and I get along fine. Politics is politics. Its dirty and it is merely war without bloodshed. We fought some battles, but I like him. We talk today about hunting, guns and so forth. I invited him to my office for coffee. So, I am not in this fight.

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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2008, 04:58:43 PM »
CrazyHorse, Karma to you for giving the facts instead of letting a rumor get started. 

It is very hard to stay out of the election politics but I am trying by only stating facts and not my feelings regarding any of the candidates running for Sheriff.  I hope I am succeeding as well as you are.
 
On rereading what I wrote about being shocked, I guess I am not succeeding as well as I thought!

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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2008, 05:16:06 PM »
Law101, I have tried to stay out of it and not criticize anyone. I like all four of these men and have worked with all of them. I know certain things that all of the 4 do well, and I am not against any of them. I am not sure which one I will vote for yet. I do want to make it clear that I like JT. I never liked it when we had disagreements and I hold no bad feelings. I did what my heart thought was right, and so did he. I have to respect the old warrior for that. People, I guess, would like to think we have problems, but we simply don't. His wife is a sweetheart and I think a lot of her and if JT wins I will get along with him fine.

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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2008, 05:16:56 PM »
Last time JT was in office he had alot of commissions out to people that were not even P.O.S.T. certified, I was wondering if he is even P.O.S.T. certified? And if not then does he plan to get it so that he can do more than sit in his office and not help on the road. One of many things that I can say for JB is even though he is the Sheriff he does help on the road. He is not afraid to go out on calls with the deputies. That shows your people alot when you are willing to work with them and not just tell them what to do. Thank You JB for that. Bill is also a great guy. He is very good at speaking with people and being one of them and not just someone who tells people what to do. Bill was a teacher of mine for almost a year, he has alot of knowledge and is patient. Both of them work really hard and have huge hearts. This will be a hard and stressful election. We will know soon enough. Good luck to both JB and Bill.

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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2008, 05:26:18 PM »
Karma to you for a good post, Exclusive, but he must be post certified if he is currently holding a position as a Camden County Deputy Sheriff.

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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2008, 05:29:28 PM »
I was not aware that he help a commission anywhere thank you.

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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2008, 05:35:00 PM »
I did not stick around last night to see all of the candidates. I wanted to watch JB and Bill and then I left.

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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2008, 07:18:01 PM »
Ok so where was the centralized shed to be located?

And Cowboy, you have the story incorrect, Harold wanted to Centralize and have one main shed to save money and time.

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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2008, 08:16:02 PM »
It was not determined Cowboy. There was some thought about putting it out by Norman Sanders to be mid-county. As I said, when I talked to some people who I really respect I was advised this was not a good thing to do. I asked someone who had the most experience (actually several people) in this county regarding Road & Bridge maintenance. I then voted what I believed to be the best for all. It was a "hot" issue. I think I did the right thing. Anyway, this was an extremely important issue to Dennis and of course he fought to keep it there. My point is "my" vote is what kept it there, of which I was never credited because people were looking at the sensational side of the big fight. As years go by I think some of the things that I did right (or tried to) may come out. The press, as you all know focus on the "hot" story, and many politicians lack veracity, but as Paul Harvey says...now, for the rest of the story....

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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2008, 08:27:56 PM »
Well CH, here is your open forum to bring everything to light. Since it has been a few years, I am sure that several of us would be interested in hearing it all. Did the DG refuse to run corrections? Was the publisher contacted? What was his response? We are interested and would like to know.
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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2008, 08:42:05 PM »
Naw, you have no interest in me Okie. I only responded to you and Cowboy's post. You were correct, but with slight error. My life was not threatened, and I thought I should correct that. You a big Farnham & JB fan aren't ya? I doubt you much care about me, and that is old news, but thank you for asking anyway.

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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2008, 08:48:36 PM »
Well CH, you are wrong. I have known you for a very long time, and I like you. But all of these things have an effect on all of us, so I am asking honestly, if you can tell us things that we were wrongly informed about, we would like to know. I have always believed you to be an honest man. I think your response was pretty hostile, but I can live with that.
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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2008, 08:52:44 PM »
BTW, I voted for you over Farnham because I saw no reason to fire you. Farnham has been fair and honest with me, and now I see no reason to fire him. Same with JB. It really has nothing to do with "fandom".
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« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2008, 08:56:48 PM »
Sorry, no intent to be hostile. You are welcome to come by sometime and I'll buy you coffee and tell you the story. I do not want to say anything negative on here about anyone. If you have sincere interest I will be happy to tell you sometime in person. It is very difficult for me to be nice when it comes to Farnham and some of the things he did to me, so I select to just be silent, or I will end up saying negative things.  But, I needed to make a correction on you and Cowboy's post. I did not intend any disrespect and I am sorry.

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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2008, 09:04:02 PM »
Okay, that works for me, and I am sorry if I upset you.
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« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2008, 09:09:56 PM »
You did nothing wrong, I'm just too sensitive sometimes. I wanted to do the right things when I was commissioner and I tried very hard to. I was honest and tried to help people the best I could. I am sorry for being defensive and cranky. I'll do better.

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« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2008, 11:25:11 PM »
...so that he can do more than sit in his office and not help on the road. One of many things that I can say for JB is even though he is the Sheriff he does help on the road. He is not afraid to go out on calls with the deputies. That shows your people alot when you are willing to work with them and not just tell them what to do.

Sorry, but I have to disagree.  Being a Sheriff is a POLITICAL office, and one of an ADMINISTRATOR role; NOT a road deputy.  Running radar on H hwy is NOT what I expect from my Sheriff!!  Backing up deputies on serious calls is great, but if you want to run radar go back to the MSHP.
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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2008, 11:42:42 PM »
JB .... Just remember one little bit of advice when having to deal with some of these know-all folks:

" Never argue with an idiot; they will drag you down to their level then beat you with experience "

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« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2008, 11:47:34 PM »
"Sorry, but I have to disagree.  Being a Sheriff is a POLITICAL office, and one of an ADMINISTRATOR role; NOT a road deputy." 

Biker, you are pretty much right. In the last 10 to 15 years, being a county sheriff is almost all administrative. It eats up all of their time to set a budget, try to keep to the budget, and set and keep schedules. It almost seems to keep a good LE officer off the street and in the office doing paperwork. Just the way of the world, I guess.
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« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2008, 12:09:17 AM »
JB .... Just remember one little bit of advice when having to deal with some of these know-all folks:

" Never argue with an idiot; they will drag you down to their level then beat you with experience "

Still got MY vote.

I sincerely hope that you are not referring to ME as an "idiot", and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with the "know it all folks" comment...  Some of us idiot know it alls actually DO know what we're talking about because we've BEEN THERE and DONE THAT!  Don't like my opinion?  Good for you, that's what this Country (and this board) is all about!!  Call me an idiot and say I don't know what I'm talking about...  hhhmmm... NOW who's the "idiot"??
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« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2008, 12:14:19 AM »

Biker, you are pretty much right. In the last 10 to 15 years, being a county sheriff is almost all administrative. It eats up all of their time to set a budget, try to keep to the budget, and set and keep schedules. It almost seems to keep a good LE officer off the street and in the office doing paperwork. Just the way of the world, I guess.

I have to agree with you Okie!!  Unfortunately, the way PD's and SD's across the Nation are, you have to be a politician first and a LE Officer 2nd.  Actually, maybe you have to be a CPA 2nd & a LE Officer 3rd. 

For the most part, good cops don't make good administrators, and vice versa...  Now, before anyone accuses me of bashing JB, or any of the other candidates, I'm NOT!  I think there are a couple of candidates that are outstanding LE Officers and Administrators at the same time, which is HIGHLY unusual!! 
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Re: Sheriff replies to criticism at Dixon
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2008, 12:15:45 AM »
Sorry, but I have to disagree.  Being a Sheriff is a POLITICAL office, and one of an ADMINISTRATOR role; NOT a road deputy.  Running radar on H hwy is NOT what I expect from my Sheriff!!  Backing up deputies on serious calls is great, but if you want to run radar go back to the MSHP.


    I have run a radar unit one time on one specific road checking for one specific thing for about two hours in the entire first 3.5 years in office. I have written 6 or 7 UTT's so far in 3.5 years. That's total. Yes I do investigations from time to time and yes I back up the Deputies, answer alarm calls, haul inmates around, bailiff and oh ya I do budgets and work with budget figures to get the biggest bang for the buck I can find.

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« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2008, 12:24:54 AM »

    I have run a radar unit one time on one specific road checking for one specific thing for about two hours in the entire first 3.5 years in office. I have written 6 or 7 UTT's so far in 3.5 years. That's total. Yes I do investigations from time to time and yes I back up the Deputies, answer alarm calls, haul inmates around, bailiff and oh ya I do budgets and work with budget figures to get the biggest bang for the buck I can find.

JB

Difference of opinion, we've been here before and neither of us are likely to change our minds any time soon.  BUT, I have to applaud you for responding and defending yourself.

Too bad the other candidates won't even post on here :(
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